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Sky
11-09-2010, 06:41 AM
36 cd martial helm
7 amp 50 hp suit
st glove and boot 7 amp
10 rate phery orb +9
40 cd phery orb +9
1 merg ring
1 rol+1

i know this is pretty crappy gear. i want to know if this is good gear for now
i am aiming for this gear though
7/34 helm
7 amp 100 hp
st glove and boot 7 amp
10 rate phery orb +9
40 cd lapis phery orb+9
1 merg ring
1 rol+1

is this good enough build?

or

12-15 rate helm
2X cd lapis phery orb+9
is this better?

iNub
11-09-2010, 07:44 AM
not sure about wiz. ask matri, but i'd assume they're in the same boat as WA and need rings and weapons / helms for CRI unlike FB or FS.

zx34
11-09-2010, 09:52 PM
zzz nvm

deamonreaper
11-10-2010, 05:02 PM
u cant ask matri, he will just say its fail and flame you for not buying alz

Deathlymonkey
11-10-2010, 05:42 PM
not sure about wiz. ask matri, but i'd assume they're in the same boat as WA and need rings and weapons / helms for CRI unlike FB or FS.

Wizards dont use 15/24 helms.
The difference is WAs only have one kind of weapon, while wizards can have 2 different kinds.

kekekekekeke
11-11-2010, 12:18 PM
Wizards dont use 15/24 helms.
The difference is WAs only have one kind of weapon, while wizards can have 2 different kinds.

Who said they couldn't? If you have that set up of 1 15/24, and 2 7/40s, then whose to say you can't use a 15/24 helm? It's the same thing as a 15/24 orb... and you just use 2 7/40 orbs instead of a 7/40 helm/orb. Yes a 7/40 helm is easier to get but if you have the 15/24 helm already why not use that? WA's could use a similar set up... 15/24 helm and a 14/80 (if you could get one of these lol) and it's the same thing as 2 7/40 orbs but just in 1 wep.

Mishon
11-11-2010, 05:16 PM
40/7 Helm, 40/7 Orbs.

+12-15 dual Phery ftw.

Registering
11-18-2010, 02:23 PM
Sadly the above is really the only viable solution unless:

1. You are part of a top guild and they donate pc crafted lapis/topaz orbs to you and you have access to SEHs.
2. You're rich enough to buy a retarded amount of alz.
3. You luckbox about ~10 billion worth of drops.
4. You spend the next 4 years chain running lid/eod/sod every day harder than any chinese farmer farmed in the history of his entire life and you always have 5b+ on hand to snatch up any good orbs on the market.

Here are some possible setups to help you out:

All builds should aim for this:
Base (5% cr, 20% cd)
AoP+5 (5% cd)
Merg (15% cr)
CR+2 (15% cd)
K-red (3%cr, 10% cd)

That puts you at 23% cr and 50% cd and this is not counting pets or upcoming new runes from future patches.

So where do we go from here?

Option #1,
2x 40% CD Pher Orbs from weod
8/20 helm
RoL+1 (10% cr)
RoC+5 (5% cr)
== Total: 46% cr and 150% cd

This solution isn't bad and it's not terribly suicide inducing in weod because you can always SEM yourself to 40% with only a 1 socket orb and you don't have to worry about getting rate first. With reasonable luck you'll be in/out weod from 55-70 and on your merry way.

There are issues with this setup though. To upgrade past this point will be extremely difficult. You pretty much need 34% Topaz orbs or better to upgrade your weapons. A 34% Lapis is effectively the same as a 40% Pher so there's no point jumping to Lapis unless it's 40%, however a 40% Lapis is still no joke when it comes to cost. I don't know offhand how much it would be but I would estimate 1.5b each minimum assuming you even find a seller.

So now we're talking about a 3b upgrade for a minor change in m.atk, and an additional 1.5b for an aop+6 for 5% cd more if you'd like.

Option #2 is similiar to Option #1:
Instead of the 8/20 helm you farm yourself a 2 socket db Martial helm from weod and get rate in the first slot. This will give you a 45% cr, 164% cd setup. Definitely a respectable setup but getting the helm could potentially be annoying. Personally I think this is the ideal setup for someone who doesn't want to spend weeks in weod.

Option #3:
You pretty much go all out in weod. Forget work, forget school, forget your spouse (she's locked in the closet for a minimum of 10 hours a day). You eat, sh*t, and sleep weod until you get 3x 7/40 items. You also replace the RoC+5 with a CR+2 and the Rol+1 with a CR+2.

This setup bumps you up to 46% cr and 200% CD. You can get another 5% CD by upgrading to an AoP+6.

#3 is pretty much the long haul WI. Anyone who says Pher orbs aren't end game material are jealous they don't have them. 2x 7/34 Topaz orbs would be better without a doubt but good luck getting those. In the mean time with the #3 setup you have no real costs associated to your gear. You just +11 your orbs for now, pickup some 7% m.amp armor pieces, your leech/etc. and everything you make after that (it's still a good amount of farming for all this with the cr+2s) goes to your potential 7/34 Topaz orb fund.

Mishon
11-18-2010, 07:18 PM
+15 Phery.