So ummmmm.... +11 Lapis 40DMG > +11 Forcium 7SAMP

[Yngwie21]

discuss.

[Lelouch]

Prove it.

[Spur]

when u get up to a high enough atk then yes

[Yngwie21]

Look at my branny DMG post and then look at Yomo's. I win by over 800 and I recently got a +11 Forcium Crystal with 7 S Amp and I crit less. ^^ I like looking like yomo now though. WE ARE GUILDIES NOW AFTERALL!!

Now I will admit that I crit the DPS moves in pvp like 200 to 300 harder with the forcium crystal and only a bit less with the bigger skills (i.e. Splitner and Grenade) and having like 1080 base attk isnt that bad either. >.< So the non crits are amazingly harder, but who plays FS and doesn't crit?

[Lelouch]

So basically, lapis better for crits and the forci s.amp is better for non crit o.o

[Bebe]

discuss.

It depends on ur char n build.

[OhEmGee]

Yeah duh, forcium only makes up when u don't crit.
when u crit the dmg is of course higher.
i've done dmg testing.
so agreeing w/ Lelouch's post.

[iNercy]

So basically, lapis better for crits and the forci s.amp is better for non crit o.o

yes

[Yngwie21]

my new stats are
4095hp
1081 attk
1298 def
54rate
167dmg
60samp

[Yngwie21]

Forcium Crystal has better "DPS" but who is to say that the "DPS" isnt better with a larger crit? I think 2shotting someone is the best DPS oen can get. 1.8sec cast time on grenade, 2.8sec cast on splinter = 4.6 seconds of pvp against maybe FK>Imapct>Charge>Rising 0.5sec FK, 1sec Imapct, 0.9sec charge, 1.1sec rising or something like that = 3.5 seconds but with my lapis i was critting well over 2.4k splinter and grenade so 5k dmg in 4.6 seconds against an AVG of 700dmg per DPS skill 700 x 4 = 2800. Also some say forcium crystals are better in bm2, but they arent... lol

[ZEPR0]

Look at my branny DMG post and then look at Yomo's. I win by over 800 and I recently got a +11 Forcium Crystal with 7 S Amp and I crit less. ^^ I like looking like yomo now though. WE ARE GUILDIES NOW AFTERALL!!

Now I will admit that I crit the DPS moves in pvp like 200 to 300 harder with the forcium crystal and only a bit less with the bigger skills (i.e. Splitner and Grenade) and having like 1080 base attk isnt that bad either. >.< So the non crits are amazingly harder, but who plays FS and doesn't crit?


so which one is better for Nwar/pvp
Forcy or LApis???

[Yngwie21]

well to tell ya the truth I only crit about 50ish harder with a 40dmg lapis over the 7s amp forci, while the DPS skills do 200-300 better with the forci. Depends maybe on your playing style I suppose... but look at it this way, I was a Lapis player for years and I just went to forci and im happy with it. it looks cooler and we all know thats what I play for XD
Also just as a side note, think about the thigns to come such as a Crit DMG rune.... that rune will make this crystal WAY better than lapis.

[ZEPR0]

Forcium Crystal has better "DPS" but who is to say that the "DPS" isnt better with a larger crit? I think 2shotting someone is the best DPS oen can get. 1.8sec cast time on grenade, 2.8sec cast on splinter = 4.6 seconds of pvp against maybe FK>Imapct>Charge>Rising 0.5sec FK, 1sec Imapct, 0.9sec charge, 1.1sec rising or something like that = 3.5 seconds but with my lapis i was critting well over 2.4k splinter and grenade so 5k dmg in 4.6 seconds against an AVG of 700dmg per DPS skill 700 x 4 = 2800. Also some say forcium crystals are better in bm2, but they arent... lol

Agreed since SG came out
I rarely use DPS any more,

[Yngwie21]

the VAST majority of my PvP's are Grenade>Splinter>so far beyond done its not even funny... Like knocked you into another area code done. Like -5000 dmg past your life done.

[Bebe]

so which one is better for Nwar/pvp
Forcy or LApis???

IT DEPENDS ON UR STATS!!


Like ur att s.amp% cd% cr%!!! dam u ppl! it all depends on ur stats!!!

[Yngwie21]

You have my stats posted right there. do the math. +11 Forci is 159 attk 7 s amp +11 Lapis is 122 attk 40 dmg

[Nanjirou]

Yeah depends on your stats. If you got +15 Forcium Blade and eof8 go for the lapis orb. If not the owells.

[Bebe]

You have my stats posted right there. do the math. +11 Forci is 159 attk 7 s amp +11 Lapis is 122 attk 40 dmg

oO dam... i missed it. let me go look. lol

[Yngwie21]

i would say that if +15 was in the realm of reachable I would definately go +15 forcium blade and crystal. Do you know how much base attk youd have?? lol almost 1275ish with 60 samp and we are Force Shielders its not like we arent gonna have crit dmg to boot! lol 167 dmg with 60 s amp and a warriors attk base, yummeh

[Bebe]

my new stats are
4095hp
1081 attk
1298 def
54rate
167dmg
60samp

umm... is this with lapz or forcy? or non?

[Yngwie21]

Forci crystal. 159attk 7samp
lapis crystal 122attk 40dmg
those stats are with my forcium

[Bebe]

Forci crystal. 159attk 7samp
lapis crystal 122attk 40dmg
those stats are with my forcium

x_x that wasn't my question. I asked the stats u gave. ARE they including ur lapz or forcy? or without either of them.

[Yngwie21]

I believe I answered that question... those stats I posted are with my Forcium Crystal

[Bebe]

I believe I answered that question... those stats I posted are with my Forcium Crystal

x_x n course i didn't see the last line. lol sorry. Anyways, with ur stats. I'd go lapz. u lose 37att but gain 40cd.(that's 2x cr+2) 7amp isn't much when u already have 52 which is already high enough. n with u'r better off having higher base dmg. n with all the resis cr/cd/amp etc.... u'll need lots of cd!

[Yngwie21]

ah yes troo troo! but now lets play what if games... what if this crit dmg rune really does come out? 15% more crit dmg makes the forcium crystal better.

[Bebe]

ah yes troo troo! but now lets play what if games... what if this crit dmg rune really does come out? 15% more crit dmg makes the forcium crystal better.

40% cd is already epic... 50+ amp is already good enough... there r titles that take off what? 40% cd? amp only like 2? 5?


I still say lapz over forcy.... unless u change ur gears. all together. n also depends on ur title too. o.o got any epic titles? like hr14+

[Bebe]

They compair between 7amp or 30cd.... n u have 10more. so it's 10cd or 37att. which u rather have? lol

[Tenrai]

forget forci crystal sword amp aim for double slot forci 20 crit.

[megablast1]

get owned son.
my lvl 1 sword based wiz will 1ko murder any of u

[Devils91]

if your going to spend the money on a 2 slot forc xstal, u might as well get a 40 dmg topaz xstal and make it +15. doing rough clculations 2000 uch should be able to get you +15. That's only 2bil + topaz=6bil total?

Isnt +15 topaz = to +9-10 forc?

[Matrimoney]

if your going to spend the money on a 2 slot forc xstal, u might as well get a 40 dmg topaz xstal and make it +15. doing rough clculations 2000 uch should be able to get you +15. That's only 2bil + topaz=6bil total?

Isnt +15 topaz = to +9-10 forc?

LOLOLOL rough calculations to get an item to 15...thats the funniest thing ive ever heard

[yomo]

uhm im having a hard time figuring out ur stats crits, and ur comparing my dmg lol, my gears aren't any good, go get wula to post his and he'll come close to ur dmg

and i always knew a 40% lapis hits harder on SS but the filler dmg makes me sadpanda, also the bm2 dmg su.cks ass as well on a 40 lapis

[Xiju]

the forc is better
how many of you guys are gonna crit on me with 29 resist rate? :\

[megablast1]

crude crystal ftw then u upgrade it to +28 ul be unstoppable

[Yngwie21]

Actually that too... BM2 is harder critting with Lapis crystal 40dmg even at +6.... it's fine though cuz i have my forci crystal and i prefer it because of the large increase on DPS moves.

[yomo]

+11 forc amp > 40 dmg lapis in bm2, anyday

i still wanna see the ss of ur stats crits, it's hard for me to see how you got that much def when u only got 2 forc pieces and not even 180

[Eevon3]

+11 forc amp > 40 dmg lapis in bm2, anyday

i still wanna see the ss of ur stats crits, it's hard for me to see how you got that much def when u only got 2 forc pieces and not even 180

he has 3 pieces. regardless, wula has more.

[Yngwie21]

yeah wth? im full focium lol... who said i had 2 pieces? each piece has 180def on it bud.

[otice1]

yeah wth? im full focium lol... who said i had 2 pieces? each piece has 180def on it bud.

I like how you respond to this but intentionally ignore your Q&A thread.

[yomo]

oh i didn't know you had 3 pieces already lol

and 54 rate on 167 cd huh? guess you also got a 7/40 helm?

[Yngwie21]

aop6, 34/7, and 1 slot dmg in pet = 167 bruddar. ^^
Done changed my gears around now though. looking for bof7s and some runes to add to the stats below in my sig.

[otice1]

Can't help but noticing that the stats you input have over 150 more hp than the SS you submitted.

[Mrshoveit]

my lvl is 168
how come my attak is only 600

[Mishon]

if your going to spend the money on a 2 slot forc xstal, u might as well get a 40 dmg topaz xstal and make it +15. doing rough clculations 2000 uch should be able to get you +15. That's only 2bil + topaz=6bil total?

Isnt +15 topaz = to +9-10 forc?

I lol'ed, you'd be lucky to make it too +12 with 2k cores.

[DivineWrath]

looks like im gonna need a PC amp forci crystal with 2 slots xP

[Chris]

Forcium Crystal has better "DPS" but who is to say that the "DPS" isnt better with a larger crit? I think 2shotting someone is the best DPS oen can get. 1.8sec cast time on grenade, 2.8sec cast on splinter = 4.6 seconds of pvp against maybe FK>Imapct>Charge>Rising 0.5sec FK, 1sec Imapct, 0.9sec charge, 1.1sec rising or something like that = 3.5 seconds but with my lapis i was critting well over 2.4k splinter and grenade so 5k dmg in 4.6 seconds against an AVG of 700dmg per DPS skill 700 x 4 = 2800. Also some say forcium crystals are better in bm2, but they arent... lol

my friend yellow lines his skills and by the time he does charge im just dead

his combo is charge>force kick>impact stab and then im frozen in place because grenade just destroys the rest of my HP

so total his combo is under 2 seconds of dps and then im frozen in place, wanna know what that is? my crit shot>my terra lance > im dead good luck killing an FS with those 2 skills -.-

[Chris]

I lol'ed, you'd be lucky to make it too +12 with 2k cores.

if they were enhanced :D

[plzbuffme]

i erad somehwere that enhanced core increase success rate by like .2% i dunno doesntseem wort it to me

[DivineWrath]

i erad somehwere that enhanced core increase success rate by like .2% i dunno doesntseem wort it to me

its better because most of the time you only fail by 1 lvl not 4-5 xD