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Kratos
11-25-2010, 02:28 AM
Its me again, first i just like to thanks those that helped me out where bladers critical rate is concern, with that in mine i have another question for my fellow pro bladers out there... what should my helm, weapons and rings be? Atm im using a dmg helm 30%cdi +6, 1 forcy blade 7%amp +6, 1forcy blade 10%cdi +7, meg ring, rol+1, roc+5 and cr+1 10%cdi. 1. So, should i go for a rate helm to make the 40% rate or 36%dmg helm and get the 5%rate from a pet and board? 2. I know i need to + the amp blade more and switch the forcy blade 10cdi +7 for an osm or red osm db but how much cdi will i need to get in it as its a lower grade and the loss of raw atk and +7, +8 or +9 to balance out my BL? 3. My rings 1 meg ring and what should i get for the 3 other ring slots? Please help me again cuz im trying my best to become a decent blader!!! thanks in advance...

Sryinex
11-25-2010, 03:03 AM
Budget plays a huge role in what you can do with your character. I'm assuming you aren't made of alz so I'll say this: Rate is very important. You can crit a little harder but if you lose that rate, it won't matter. I used an 8% rate helm up until I was able to afford my 7/34 one. My personal opinion is that it's better to have rate in helm versus rate in weapons as it's cheaper and easier to obtain/resell. I wouldn't play my blader if it had less than 39-40% rate(because the 5% rate from dt & 10 from ls/bs make it usable). Also that valuable ring spot you're wasting with the roc5(for the 5 rate) could easily be replaced in an 8 rate helm and you'd replace the ring with cr's.

At your level what I'd do is replace your 10% cdi fc with a 27% dmg osm +8 or higher(should be around the same price), eventually upgrade that to a 36-40 dmg. As far as ring setup goes [merg][rol1][cr][cr] or [merg][rol1][cr][rof9] I used the latter until I could afford 2cr2's, then I obviously went with the first setup.

But yeah, depending on what you prefer to do(pve/bossing) versus war/pvp you can figure out what end-game build you want. I've always opted for more of a universal build(1 amp blade|1 dmg blade) and it's worked well for both. I've done the damage calculations and it really isn't that big of a loss in pvp versus 2 dmg blades) Only way I'd switch is if I were be able to afford 2x 40 dmg blades.

The only way I'd opt out of a rate in helm setup is if I were lucky enough to be able to gain a rol2. But considering the price of those, the rate in helm setup is pretty much what a normal blader should do(imo).

3% from kred
5% base
25% from ring spots
8% from helm

gives you 41/51(with aop5) which is good enough with the rate in skills.

Hope this helps.

Kratos
11-25-2010, 01:12 PM
Thanks alot Sryblader this helps alot and makes alot of sense as well..... I wish more ppl would stay their opinion thou.... but i think this is good enough... :)

Devils91
11-25-2010, 02:55 PM
Forc of db 5% rate 10 cd +8 or higher, 30% cd osm or redosm+9 or higher, 8/20 helm or 7/34+9 or higher, Merg ring, rol+1, 2xcr+2.

Good atk, very good rate, and ok critical damage. GL on build.

cadacus_ater
11-28-2010, 04:46 PM
Personally, I think it's better if you can use a damage helm and one rate craft weapon if you plan on warring, since legacy weapons give you a nice amount of rate and damage helms are more efficient with them (remember you de-equip your own weapons for legacy weapons). It depends on your pet and board/bike though, if those don't give you any rate, it might be easier on your budget to get an 8 rate helm and a damage craft weapon. The lowest I would ever go with rate, excluding the effects of skills, is 35, but that is a bit risky, and it is better to go for 38 or more.

Ideally of course, you'd want a pc damage craft weapon/helm with a rate slot to supply your rate outside of rings, board and pet, but that will likely take a very long time to get.

Kratos
11-30-2010, 01:00 PM
well atm i got 38% from rate helm since i cannot afford 7/30.... im saving for kred board atm which will get me 41cri, 86cdi and 48amp and 930atk.... a friend wants my fc 10cd+7(163atk) for osm 27cdi+6(114atk).... should i make the trade but is 49atk worth giving up for 17cdi which will take me to 103cdi and 889atk... btw thanks to all of you guys ^^

cadacus_ater
11-30-2010, 01:41 PM
With your stats for attack and amp (43 and 930), a very rough equivalence for weapons that might help you is... Forcium Blade +8 10 cdi = Osmium Blade +6 20 cdi on crit. This suggests that with your build, 56 attack = 10 cdi on crit. This is a very rough estimate though and only applies to skills like LS, BS, and DT with any reliability. But your non-crits take a significant blow from switching to osm from forc. However your cdi is pretty low right now, you might want to consider making the trade so you can crit a little harder. 49 att < 17 cdi on crit and with 41 rate on the way you should be looking more at higher crit damage builds.

Also, when you say you have 38 rate, are you including the natural 5% base (not your skill bonuses) your character has? You should have 38 rate with an 8 rate helm, a merg ring and a rol +1 if you include the 5% character base. If so, then after getting K-red for 41 crit rate total, you should be free to use 2 crit rings (+1 or +2) along with your rol+1 and merg ring.

Tysukiomi
12-02-2010, 06:23 PM
i say 2rol and 2rof9's if u cant afford the +10's or cr2
helm, long as u can get a 8/20 or if ur rich a 7/40
and weps, heck the sig from cs would sufice, if not then go with forcy amp slot+redosm+9 ^_^
(this is whats actually affordable for half the community in cabal ._.)

stranger
12-03-2010, 12:39 PM
use 36% helm

merp ring. 15
rol+1 10
base 5
skill 10
k-red 3%
total = 43% rate

if you can exchange a focium 10% to 3-4% rate and 10% dmg. u have 46% total.

if you want to max ur rate use another rate blade or katana.
when you use any bm, combine with 2 focium.

use cr+2 30% dmg

Sryinex
12-03-2010, 01:49 PM
use 36% helm

merp ring. 15
rol+1 10
base 5
skill 10
k-red 3%
total = 43% rate

if you can exchange a focium 10% to 3-4% rate and 10% dmg. u have 46% total.

if you want to max ur rate use another rate blade or katana.
when you use any bm, combine with 2 focium.

use cr+2 30% dmg

43% might be okay for grinding but in bm2 you won't get enough rate.

Personally I'd still take an 8/20 helm over the 36 until you can afford to get a 7/34-40. That's just me though.

Ludacris
12-03-2010, 02:44 PM
or just go 15/24 @_@

15/24
merg 15
rol2 15
kred 3
base 5
53/53 without skills.

Hash
12-03-2010, 02:49 PM
or just go 15/24 @_@

15/24
merg 15
rol2 15
kred 3
base 5
53/53 without skills.

7/40 for combo, 15/24 for bm2 ? =P

Sryinex
12-03-2010, 03:08 PM
or just go 15/24 @_@

15/24
merg 15
rol2 15
kred 3
base 5
53/53 without skills.

Sure if you wanna add another 5b to his budget. xD

Ludacris
12-03-2010, 03:33 PM
Sure if you wanna add another 5b to his budget. xD

ive come quite a way on cabal i guess @_@

stranger
12-06-2010, 08:41 AM
if you are bm2, use s.amp blade. kills very fast. 36% bm2 is very good. i kill cat boss and the last boss in FT B1F, only use 1 bm2. and still have 20 second left on the cat boss, and 10 second on the last boss.

i use 3% rate 10% dmg and 7% s.amp. both focium +8.

it kills faster then i use 3% rate 10% dmg focium blade and a titian 8% rate and 25% dmg blade. = 44% rate and 145%dmg

ZeonH
12-13-2010, 04:00 AM
So question, What is a 7/40? is that extended gear? or is it Oh-so-epic gear?

Mat
12-13-2010, 04:03 AM
So question, What is a 7/40? is that extended gear? or is it Oh-so-epic gear?

7/40 usually means 7 rate 40 dmg, its a pc dmg 2 slot item with rate in slot extended...aka expensive

tooquick4you
12-13-2010, 09:02 PM
cookies are for pros

joeynpj
12-22-2010, 07:16 PM
im lvl 16X bl. i have 1 rof+9 2 rol+1 and 1 cr+1, osm 5 rate helm 20 dmg +9, osm 5 rate blade 20 dmg +9, and osm 3 rate kat 20 dmg +8, aop +4. base i have 37% rate and 100% dmg with using ls and bs it will push to 47% rate and 110%. i crit all hits. 2 shot a 164 fb in pvp gear (im set as pve not pvp) using ls and dt. im looking to up my rate more with helm and blades so more rate more crits.

Noir
12-22-2010, 07:48 PM
Wow ur bragging about 100 cd? Don't make me lol, I don't know how you 2 hit a fb, man that fb must've been pretty terrible then.

Sephiroth
12-22-2010, 07:50 PM
From personal experience, Not much of a difference from 8/20 helm vs 36%

Unless your Bm2/Aura same time. Then obviously 36% is better.


Otherwise its about the same, and this is with me testing it out in IC solo.

8/20 Yes you crit more often but they are soft crits.
36% you dont crit as often but when you do, they hit harder.

SO it kinda cancels out lol

I used both helms and compared them when doing IC bosses.


Then again, it all depends on what gear you have.


In my case, for me to see a improvement I need a 7/40 helm... period. xD

Noir
12-23-2010, 10:43 AM
go 7/40 helm, 7/40 blade, 7/40 blade, mergh ring, 3 cr2, 5 base, 3 from kred= 44 rate before skills (maximum of 54 with max rate rune) =P

cadacus_ater
12-23-2010, 01:37 PM
go 7/40 helm, 7/40 blade, 7/40 blade, mergh ring, 3 cr2, 5 base, 3 from kred= 44 rate before skills (maximum of 54 with max rate rune) =P

Yeah sure...if anyone could GET all that lol.

Also, rate rune only gives 3 extra rate max, if I'm not mistaken.

Noir
12-23-2010, 02:08 PM
Yeah sure...if anyone could GET all that lol.

Also, rate rune only gives 3 extra rate max, if I'm not mistaken.

Sure it does, but then amulet of pain gives some more too