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GGavin
12-12-2010, 04:16 PM
Cant decide, forcium amp gs or osmium cdi?:confused:

Mat
12-12-2010, 04:18 PM
more like

be a retard or be smart ??

Lelouch
12-12-2010, 05:00 PM
Forci amp gs would be good for pve, but overall the osm cdi is better.

renji642
12-12-2010, 06:00 PM
forcium amp greatsword would be good for nothing.

Mat
12-12-2010, 06:05 PM
forcium amp greatsword would be good for nothing.
kinda like you

ohhhhhh

Chris7
12-12-2010, 06:08 PM
Forci amp gs would be good for pve, but overall the osm cdi is better.

this is why your warrior succked.

renji642
12-12-2010, 06:08 PM
kinda like you

ohhhhhh

lawl

Xiju
12-12-2010, 06:12 PM
go with 2 slot forc gs

Lelouch
12-12-2010, 07:13 PM
this is why your warrior succked.

ur 80% osm isn't on my lvl scrub

Chris7
12-13-2010, 08:07 AM
ur 80% osm isn't on my lvl scrub

LOL.


so uhh what were you using? 60 dmg osm +6? outa here mediocre garb

Mrshoveit
12-13-2010, 09:19 AM
im falling asleep at work so i came on. im still fallin asleeeep

Lelouch
12-13-2010, 02:12 PM
LOL.


so uhh what were you using? 60 dmg osm +6? outa here mediocre garb

14/68 osm +12, come at me 80%

kinggreg
12-13-2010, 02:13 PM
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5826834/2/istockphoto_5826834-angry-boy-with-a-toy-sword.jpg

strongest

Chris7
12-14-2010, 04:29 AM
sorry my gs has 14 more amp 12 more dmg and like 160 more attack

Diablo
12-14-2010, 12:50 PM
14/68 osm +12, come at me 80%

you use 10/40 +6, go kill yourself

Lelouch
12-14-2010, 02:20 PM
sorry my gs has 14 more amp 12 more dmg and like 160 more attack

oic, I guess you win.

boredom
12-14-2010, 04:38 PM
sorry my gs has 14 more amp 12 more dmg and like 160 more attack

lol daarrk, u funny meng

WIpwns
12-14-2010, 05:36 PM
So it's 2slot pc dmg forcy, with amp in first slot and extended?

Nice GM gears.
lol u jelly

jimbo
12-15-2010, 06:48 PM
more like

be a retard or be smart ??

lol, whitch one would you pick?

Forumcomplainer
12-15-2010, 07:07 PM
you'll never get a good answer here. You don't have to think just go with the osm. But forcium amp is quite good at single target. It's able to dish more dps vs a 40% cd forcium gs. So if you got nothing to do and you just want show off the coolness of owning Pluma solo go with the forcium amp.
I don't think we can bluntly tell you what you should use cause we don't have view of how the rest of your gears are like.

forumaccount
12-15-2010, 07:55 PM
you'll never get a good answer here. You don't have to think just go with the osm. But forcium amp is quite good at single target. It's able to dish more dps vs a 40% cd forcium gs. So if you got nothing to do and you just want show off the coolness of owning Pluma solo go with the forcium amp.
I don't think we can bluntly tell you what you should use cause we don't have view of how the rest of your gears are like.

any1 who thinks 14% amp > 40% cd on a wa rly doesnt kno wat theyre talking about

Sephiroth
12-15-2010, 08:12 PM
Thats why you Extend a Forcium GS with 14% Amp :D

14% Amp / 24% dmg?

xD ...make it +15 and your pro.

Forumcomplainer
12-16-2010, 04:03 AM
any1 who thinks 14% amp > 40% cd on a wa rly doesnt kno wat theyre talking about It's quite funny, do you know then? When you reply and you're stating something why don't you explain it. Didn't i say it's better in pvp. And where did i stay cd = 40% on the osm?
@threadstarter you should've gotten your answer by now. I suggest you to look at other cabal versions for these questions. Majority of the people here can't read correctly. Such as the one that I've quoted.

ErrorCode6
12-16-2010, 07:19 AM
You said 40 cd > 14 amp on a forcy gs, which isn't true unless you had 1,857.14 attack.


u sure don't know how to calculate dmg =))
BTW FC 40% CD is much better than 14%sw amp

forumaccount
12-16-2010, 02:13 PM
It's quite funny, do you know then? When you reply and you're stating something why don't you explain it. Didn't i say it's better in pvp. And where did i stay cd = 40% on the osm?
@threadstarter you should've gotten your answer by now. I suggest you to look at other cabal versions for these questions. Majority of the people here can't read correctly. Such as the one that I've quoted.

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ur obviously a downie to think 14% amp> 40% cd, ESPECIALLY in pvp
ur the one whos not making sense genius, u claim the 14 amp forc gs is better dps than a 40 dmg FORC gs, not osm, l2read ur own comments




oh thats right that would make u look like even more of an idiot, checkmate?


Majority of the people here can't read correctly.

heres ur own quote, fits perfectly for u right about now dont u think? AHAHAHAHA

Mishon
12-16-2010, 02:30 PM
+15 Forcy amp gs > +9 osm 80dmg

deamonreaper
12-16-2010, 06:56 PM
actually, 198 attack = 79.2 crit dmg according to basic cabal math o.o sorry lol

deamonreaper
12-17-2010, 06:24 PM
200/5x2 = attack to crt dmg. common cabal conversion sense. sozzy :D

awakens
12-22-2010, 08:47 AM
Sheep, you should calculate with average amp, crit damage, and crit rate.

Mat
12-22-2010, 08:53 AM
ur 80% REDosm isn't on my lvl scrub

fixed bruh

Spur
12-22-2010, 09:01 AM
forcy gs+15 has 456 attack. osm gs+9 has 258. That 198 attack and 14 amp is equivalent to about 70 crit.

The osm would still crit more.

lol.. 198atk 14amp is far > than 70cd
without bm nor aura 5atk>1amp>2cd holds true 95%+ of then time
therefore u need 108+cd for them to be equal

Spur
12-22-2010, 12:26 PM
We've already established that you're fu.cktarded for thinking 5 attack=1 amp.

There is no universal way for equivalence. You're an idiot if you think that. It has a formula to it.

Please, take your incorrect calculations elsewhere. You may be a rich, alz-buying coon, but you don't know dookie about the game.




This is the last time I'm going to attempt to teach you how it works:

Crit:0.001% of your attack, +1
attack:1% of your attack
The above is equivalent to 1 amp


So, let's say i have 1,000 attack. 1,000*0.001+1 = 2. 1,000*0.01=10. So, for 1k attack, 1 amp = 10 attack = 2 crit.

lol u know i laughed when i saw that equation on ure other post. do u not know this game?

with 1000atk 1amp would = 10atk but guess wat stupid
10atk after equip amp and skill amp = 20++atk so which is greater?

and for wat i bolded u gotta learn to read 5atk does not = 1amp, 5atk > 1amp learn to read

otice1
12-22-2010, 12:36 PM
How is it possible for someone to think that a +9 80% osm gs is greater than a +15 forcium amp gs.....

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 12:40 PM
5 atk vs 1 amp can always be debated, but 5 atk is better than 1 amp in general because 5 atk is better for the skills with high amp (sw, sq, ww and all lances, cannons for magic classes), whereas 1 amp is only better for low amp skills like is and charge, assault, shield charge, etc. because u would need another 65-75% amp in gear to even it out with 1 amp at 1k+ base, but in general ur gonna use high amp skills more often
simply put 5 atk is an adjustable bonus, 1 amp is a flat bonus when u have a set base

cd is very touchy because it is absolutely necessary to know the def of the target to even start comparing it to atk/amp, but cd is better on low def targets, atk/amp obviously better on high def targets

otice1
12-22-2010, 03:28 PM
5 attack.. are you kidding? maybe if it was 10.

when are you people going to realize, 1% amp is 1% of your attack.

You don't understand that 5atk receives the benefit of your amp. 5*(amp + skill amp) > .01(total attack) in most circumstances.


How is it possible for someone to think a +15 forcy gs 14 amp is better than +9 80 crit osm.

We're not like fs, lol. Forcium sux on WA.

lol? the math is the same for every class. The only reason forcium is thought to be bad for warriors is because they need extra rate and cdi that aren't provided for by a buff.

Deathlymonkey
12-22-2010, 03:41 PM
Go cry, Spurm.


http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1754/pwntq.jpg

10 difference with 1% amp change, when he has 1k attack.

Who has only 1% amp?

otice1
12-22-2010, 03:42 PM
Go cry, Spurm.10 difference with 1% amp change, when he has 1k attack.

And if you use a skill with 60+ amp combined with the 40+ amp all warriors have...? O yea that makes 5atk > 1amp

otice1
12-22-2010, 03:48 PM
You still don't understand, do you.
Read the last sentence in parentheses. (http://forum.cabal.com/showthread.php?13597-The-equivalence-of-stats.)

btw, 5 + 40% amp is 7, which is still less than 10. Also, that is the "skills with 60+ amp." They are all there, and are all 10 in difference.
@ your bold text: Nope.

You honestly can't do math by yourself can you? Every decent hard hitting move and bm2 swipe's amp combined with your own amp is going to give you a total of 100%+ amp especially with an amp gs. Times that by 5 and that's the benefit of 5 attack. This will almost always be greater than 1amp unless you are bm with bloody.

otice1
12-22-2010, 03:55 PM
It already has that 100+ amp in it. This is LastHour's calc.

Have you ever even used it? Obviously not, since you think everyone is the same, and that "5 attack=1 amp" in all situations.

You are a cool guy and all, and you're nice in-game, but you're wrong.
Have you ever done calculations by yourself? Obviously not or you would realize that 5atk > 1amp for every class in the majority of circumstances.

otice1
12-22-2010, 03:57 PM
Didn't i just explain to you that 5 attack, with 40 amp on, - and having 1k attack - is 7?? which is still less than 10.

Do you not realize that skills give you amp?

otice1
12-22-2010, 04:05 PM
Do you realize that the spreadsheet has that amp already calculated in it???

Go talk to LastHour and learn what you're talking about before spreading this nonsense.

Your statements about 5 attack "working in most scenatios" is just a cheap guess, and is extremely inaccurate. Stop. Go download the spreadsheet and test it yourself. Learn.

Going to repeat this for the second time.
All players without amp weapons have 46amp with box3 slots.
So
1000*(.01) < 5*(1.46 + x) -> x>.54 amp
Which means if you have 1000 atk (your suggestion) the attack is ALWAYS better when using an attack with greater than 54 base amp, just as I suggested last page.

otice1
12-22-2010, 04:24 PM
10*1.46 is 14.6
Okay, so you're trying to say 5.4 attack = 1 amp for that person?
not 5.
You are inaccurate. That can screw you up when you're doing a whole dang 200 attack, like earlier.

You just explained why you're wrong.
/thread



Also, there's a few things you are forgetting about.
1. you have to remember that not everyone has 1k attack, and not everyone uses bof3 slotted.
2. Each skill is different. You will never have all the same numbers when calculating equivalence while having amp gears included, which is why it is calculated separately.

btw, you didn't refute the fact that the spreadsheet already has those skills' amp calculated into it.

I assume you realized that, finally.

You really don't know how to read. The 10 is 1amp(attack) and therefore is not multiplied by amp again. Its .01(1000)=10 not 14.6. The 1.46 is your base amp, x is your skill amp. Since you are incapable of understanding why you are wrong I will explain it to you are clearly as possible.

If you are a warrior with the average 46 amp and 1000attack, 5 attack will be greater than 1amp if you are using: Seismic Wave, Cascade Break, Spiral Doom, Sword Cannon, Terra Break, Whirlwind, Sword Quake, Rolling Crush, or Rising Blade.

Get it now?

awakens
12-22-2010, 04:25 PM
Dromar is right, sorry Sheep.


5 attack > 1% amp... not by much but its still better.

Lv175 WA
ATK 1000
AMP 46
Crit DMG 170


ADD 5 attack to Seismic Wave on a player with 850 defense: 1563.67
ADD 1% amp to Seismic Wave on a player with 850 defense: 1562.62
ADD 2% crit dmg to Seismic Wave on a player with 850 defense: 1567.4

otice1
12-22-2010, 04:42 PM
Whats 10 (the effect of .01*1000) divided by 5(atk)? The answer is 2. Therefore whenever your skill amp and base amp add up to 2 or greater that 5 atk is better than the amp. I'm running out of ways how to say this now...
Seismic Wave, Cascade Break, Spiral Doom, Sword Cannon, Terra Break, Whirlwind, Sword Quake, Rolling Crush, or Rising Blade. these skills fufill those circumstances

otice1
12-22-2010, 04:47 PM
The only thing I'm not taking into consideration is min. dmg and that is irrelevant to this conversation.

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 05:12 PM
sheep ur an idiot, have u ever seen how dmg is calculated by simply looking at the numbers in parentheses next to ur base atk when u use a skill? wat ur trying to say goes in one ear and goes out the other cuz u dont kno wat the hell ur calculating

Spur
12-22-2010, 05:33 PM
u know wats funny sheep even people who hates me agrees 5atk > 1amp most of the time. u cannot prove me wrong on this, u can even bring lasthour himself here and he will tell u the same exact thing.

most players nowadays reach 50%amp in gear and most of the skills used are also above 50%amp which makes it a total of 100% amp
ure 1%amp will only be multiplied by ure base atk
my 5atk will be multiplied by amp in gear and amp in skill
there is no way ure winning this arguement when ure clearly wrong
any decent WA will have over 1k atk even if u use titanium...

awakens
12-22-2010, 06:05 PM
Sheep, I don't even think you have over 1k attack or else you would agree that 75% warriors have near 1k attack or over.

edit: Warriors over 150

Noir
12-22-2010, 06:32 PM
Sheep, you are a dumbass.

Spur
12-22-2010, 06:43 PM
This is why you're inaccurate. And i already showed you that you were almost on the dime when you have 1k attack and 50 amp. You should be glad that you were right in that circumstance.

But, again, i aim to have it right for everyone, at all levels and stats. I wasn't just talking about WA's, fool. Get on my level.
Your little 5 attack shi.t rule will fail when used in other scenarios.

lol dont try to change the subject. look at the area ure posting in... o yea its the WA section and look at the weapons ure talking about. please enlighten me as how ure gonna use a +9 osm gs and reach 1200 atk, and please dont come us with stupid excuses like 4x rof10 and eof8 cause anyone with those items will not be using a +9 osm gs

Spur
12-22-2010, 06:52 PM
It all changed when you said "hurr durr, 5 attack>1 amp" idiot. Nobody is changing any subjects besides you.
Also, it doesnt take all taht crap to have 1.2k attack. forc gs+15 has 450 attack, remember? 200 more than osm. And according to you, noobs have over 1k attack with titanium.

Get on my lvl, kid. Lrn2read

sry noob but u voted for the osm gs get back to ure lvl

Spur
12-22-2010, 06:57 PM
And i still vote for the osm, you retard, rofl

Again, lrn2read


forcy gs+15 has 456 attack. osm gs+9 has 258. That 198 attack and 14 amp is equivalent to about 70 crit.

The osm would still crit more.


1 amp = 10 attack = 2 crit.

time for a memory refresh? ure the one comparing 198atk 14amp and saying its equal to 70cd. according to u 14amp = 28cd so ure saying 198atk = 42cd = 21amp. if this is the case u are also saying u need 9+atk to equal 1amp. and im saying 5atk is closer to 1amp than ure 9+ will ever be. learn2math kthx

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 07:11 PM
I have 1,000 attack exactly, 41 amp, 41 rate, and 158 crit. Going to get it up to 163 though.

And fyi, i wasn't talking about just WA's. I was talknig about any class. Besides, you want to apply that same "5 attack" rule when you have 1.2k attack? nice.



It's so extremely obvious that you're trolling. "parentheses"? wtf are you talking about, lol

Also, you're one of the most illiterate fools on this forum. Get out, ni.gger.

the fact that u dont know wat im talking about makes u a real idiot, ask the other ppl in this thread im pretty sure they kno wat im talking about

and me, illiterate? i bet u ur whole fail acc that my iq is higher than yours, and the fact that u are cussing makes u...immature? do u understand the meaning of immature? i can make u feel so illiterate compared to me that u stop posting in this thread like i have a bunch of ignorant ppl who think they can out-argue me

Spur
12-22-2010, 07:11 PM
yeah, and I'm right and you're wrong, get over it?


lol we all proved u wrong and im sure it will amuse us when u go try proving how 1amp > 9atk

Forumcomplainer
12-22-2010, 07:19 PM
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ur obviously a downie to think 14% amp> 40% cd, ESPECIALLY in pvp
ur the one whos not making sense genius, u claim the 14 amp forc gs is better dps than a 40 dmg FORC gs, not osm, l2read ur own comments




oh thats right that would make u look like even more of an idiot, checkmate?



heres ur own quote, fits perfectly for u right about now dont u think? AHAHAHAHA

I assume you didn't pass your primary school yet


YES this is a flame, ignorant ppl don't deserve explanation (even if you explain will they understand?)

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 07:21 PM
rofl, i see you as a joke, kid. and "cussin'" makes you immature? Rofl, tell that to your mommy, 12-year-old.

Btw, i don't "know what you're talking about" because you seem to not speak english.

/thread

ur like acrobat v2 sheep, u srsly have a screw loose in ur head cuz i like how u ignore all the points that make u look dumb and fling out the most idiotic flames, if u dont understand wat im typing it just means ur comprehension level is that of an elementary schooler

and lol at u whipping out the "12 yr old" crap, if anything u seem more like one than me cuz u cant compute stuff for crap and think ur all high and mighty when u are obviously just plain retarded

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 07:23 PM
I assume you didn't pass your primary school yet


YES this is a flame, ignorant ppl don't deserve explanation (even if you explain will they understand?)

good to know, doesnt change the fact that u pwnt urself

Mat
12-22-2010, 07:26 PM
rofl, there are so many errors in that paragraph, i'm not even going to point them out. Also, points that make me look dumb? I never ignored any "points."

K, let me get down to your 'comprehension level.'



/thread.
Goodnight, fools

Irony to the max...Sheep stop making yourself look like a retard.

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 07:28 PM
rofl, there are so many errors in that paragraph, i'm not even going to point them out. Also, points that make me look dumb? I never ignored any "points."

K, let me get down to your 'comprehension level.'



/thread.
Goodnight, fools

wow funny kid, trying to play the grammar police now? i type like this cuz im too lazy to capitalize and crap, and the funny thing is that i use commas plenty. o thats right, u ignore that cuz it makes u sound cooler

typing /thread makes u sound cool too doesnt it? too bad it doesnt, inet baddie

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 07:37 PM
keep throwing random flames e-gangsta wannabe, u contribute nothing but stupidity to this thread

Forumcomplainer
12-22-2010, 07:40 PM
Screw what i said i'll post one more post.
TY Sheep (in fact i wanted to flame you of what you said but this time you're saved)

Sheep:
Btw, didn't you(forumaccount) say the osm > the forcy at the beginning of the thread?
/thread.
Goodnight, fools

/@offtopic
All these talks, is wa even your main class? Just making sure that someone who's playing Fb for 2 years and then for the fun just jumped up here and state their so called 'facts'. Not directing this to anyone specific just saying...like the way you're saying your stuff here.

Noir
12-22-2010, 07:43 PM
I think we are all in conclusion that Sheep is a dumbass. :)

forumaccount
12-22-2010, 07:44 PM
Screw what i said i'll post one more post.
TY Sheep (in fact i wanted to flame you of what you said but this time you're saved)

Sheep:
Btw, didn't you(forumaccount) say the osm > the forcy at the beginning of the thread?
/thread.
Goodnight, fools

/@offtopic
All these talks, is wa even your main class? Just making sure that someone who's playing Fb for 2 years and then for the fun just jumped up here and state their so called 'facts'. Not directing this to anyone specific just saying...like the way you're saying your stuff here.

read it carefully if ur talking about post #23, which if im not mistaken was my 1st post here. now read your own post that i quoted carefully, u specifically said 14% amp FORC is better than 40% FORC

Forumcomplainer
12-23-2010, 10:41 AM
you know what I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ this and I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ you too. Your bullI love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ting make no sense and you come with you BS here complaining with a player that played nothing for 2 years but wa?. Dude do you even understand what wa is for? And you're entirely correct 14% amp Forc is TESTED on EU forums by who? EXPERTS wa players or idk who, but they got facts you see. That the dps coming out of a 14% amp gs forc > 40% forc gs at the same PLUS. And read this carefully ... on a SINGLE I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ing target you get it? 1 target. If you wanna disagree with me, before you do that go find that eu post but if you're too lazy to do that then just let the facts already proven stay in your shadow. For you who are ignorant enough and lack the understanding of the most basic way of understandings...the language which is used here as communication ... you still lack the mastering of that.
you know what I'm outta here. Complaining with ignorant people just make yourself look dumber. (you or me idk)

forumaccount
12-23-2010, 12:17 PM
umm...u mad that u were wrong with your "u said osm > forc" statements?
as for the 14 amp vs 40 cd sure u can argue the 14 amp is better given u have the items to back it up, as in high cd elsewhere besides ur gs
but as u know not everybody can easily get 2 cr2, aop6, 7/40 helm, in which case 40 dmg often beats the 14 amp because ur crits would be absolutely laughable with a 14 amp gs but under 100 cd
but im sure most ppl dont even care because most forc swords are crap for wa anyway, u dont see any wa who can solo pluma using either of these do u? if u seriously think wa were meant to use forc amp swords u might wanna play ur wa for another 2 yrs to figure it out

WingsOfAngel
12-26-2010, 10:17 AM
you know what I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ this and I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ you too. Your bullI love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ting make no sense and you come with you BS here complaining with a player that played nothing for 2 years but wa?. Dude do you even understand what wa is for? And you're entirely correct 14% amp Forc is TESTED on EU forums by who? EXPERTS wa players or idk who, but they got facts you see. That the dps coming out of a 14% amp gs forc > 40% forc gs at the same PLUS. And read this carefully ... on a SINGLE I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ing target you get it? 1 target. If you wanna disagree with me, before you do that go find that eu post but if you're too lazy to do that then just let the facts already proven stay in your shadow. For you who are ignorant enough and lack the understanding of the most basic way of understandings...the language which is used here as communication ... you still lack the mastering of that.
you know what I'm outta here. Complaining with ignorant people just make yourself look dumber. (you or me idk)

Whooa rage alert.

Vontar
01-30-2011, 08:37 PM
Guys, 1% amp>4.7893056 attk

MandaloreTheIndomitible
01-31-2011, 06:48 AM
Damn, my Tit gs is better than a Forcy S.amp.

SigfriedVeini
02-05-2011, 02:41 PM
Whooa rage alert.

Naw, just a forum complainer

Drew
02-05-2011, 06:06 PM
osm...the right kind (see thread 'post ur gs')

until the forci DB gs gets any better, ill stick with osm for the time being