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NewEra
02-06-2011, 07:10 PM
forcium blade/kat 20CD +11 VS osm blade +11 36CD/40

forcy crystal+11 20CD/orb VS lapis DB crystal/orb+11

and how do most people get their base attack to 1k?(and amp also just by using BOF+5 or 6?) and their crit dmg to 180+ just by using forcy blade 2 slot+lapis 36CD)
what types of rings to use ROF+9 or CR+1 idk...
a good combo for pvp also i'd like to use really fast.
any good FB.and anyone else please leave good comments thanks:)

Vontar
02-06-2011, 07:14 PM
I'd go with forci blade/kat +11 with 20 cd and +11 lapis xystal 40 cd, or topaz if u can afford
I know rockstar uses forci amp, not sure what plus so that may be a consideration. In fact, I would probably go forci amp blade +11 or higher and 20 cd forci xystal if I had the money :p.
n to get the amp just make sure u have standard bof+6, k-red, etc.

Roxlyn
02-06-2011, 07:17 PM
go sell ur soul and get enough for one +12 forcy blade^^

M0NSTAH
02-06-2011, 07:21 PM
lOl,.

NewEra
02-06-2011, 07:23 PM
well right now my stats and gears are..
lvl 161
hp:3218
atk:848
def:827
atk rate:3.8
def rate:3.9
s;amp:37( i can't afford +3 slotted)
gears:Osm helm30CD+6
battle suit of amp+9
boots ST,amp+6
ST gloves+7 amp
phery crystal PC 36CD+9 char bind
forcy blade+0 10CD
CR+1x2 1ROL+1+merg ring
BOF+5x2
vamp earrings+5x2
EOF+6
that's all i have atm....farming MF for SOD,IC1 IC2 for items to make alz(i currently have 200m budget left) if anyone can help me build a good FB i appreciate it.

Roxlyn
02-06-2011, 07:35 PM
rox has chicken nuggets offer C/O 3 bil

NewEra
02-06-2011, 07:39 PM
rox has chicken nuggets offer C/O 3 bil

you're not really helping,looking for people with FB knowledge,not chicken nuggets

Foxhound3857
02-06-2011, 07:39 PM
Is it worth it taking such a big hit to DEX to be able to wear Forcium weapons? I thought 227/227 Str and Int was a pretty common cap to aim for at Lv170.

Roxlyn
02-06-2011, 07:43 PM
you're not really helping,looking for people with fb knowledge,not chicken nuggets
screew u i love my nuggets and so does damonstah!!

Xiju
02-06-2011, 07:45 PM
+8 ur blade and replace ur phery is a forc s amp/ crit dmg +8 or more orb/xtal

Foxhound3857
02-06-2011, 08:18 PM
dex fb's r better methinks

Yeah, even at 180 I'd rather have 227 Str/Int and just use a +7 RedOsm Amp Katana and a +7 Topaz DB Crystal. It does more then well enough and you don't have to sell your soul to get them, unlike decent Forcium weapons.

Lelouch
02-06-2011, 08:28 PM
Forci kat 20% cd and a 40 topaz/lapis would prob be best.

Vontar
02-06-2011, 08:29 PM
Nah, amp.

PSBeardy
02-06-2011, 08:37 PM
not sure with FB's mind you, but damage output between Forci 20% xtal vs 7% s amp is only like 8 points of damage on a crit and the DPS on nons are much higher on the amp, I have both xtals and have tested these personally.

Lelouch
02-06-2011, 08:39 PM
not sure with FB's mind you, but damage output between Forci 20% xtal vs 7% s amp is only like 8 points of damage on a crit and the DPS on nons are much higher on the amp, I have both xtals and have tested these personally.

you are comparing 20% cd with 7 amp. You need to quit right now.

Vontar
02-06-2011, 08:42 PM
Amp for boss hunting and dungeons, cd for everything else :P

Foxhound3857
02-06-2011, 08:46 PM
Fine, but I still don't think it's worth the huge hit in Dex to wear Forci weapons. Why can't people just be happy with RedOsm/Topaz at Lv180?

Berserk_Fury
02-06-2011, 08:48 PM
Fine, but I still don't think it's worth the huge hit in Dex to wear Forci weapons. Why can't people just be happy with RedOsm/Topaz at Lv180?

Instead of asking the same retarded question over and over why don't you try doing some research. Hell rockstar posted an explanation yesterday or 2 days ago in an FB section thread. Or you can just go look at the stats your get from going over 227 str/int and then look at the stat bonuses you gain from a forcium sword.

Foxhound3857
02-06-2011, 09:02 PM
Instead of asking the same retarded question over and over why don't you try doing some research. Hell rockstar posted an explanation yesterday or 2 days ago in an FB section thread. Or you can just go look at the stats your get from going over 227 str/int and then look at the stat bonuses you gain from a forcium sword.

Why don't you link me to this explanation instead of being a pompous ass.

Izumiia
02-06-2011, 09:31 PM
Why don't you link me to this explanation instead of being a pompous ass.

stop being lazy there's a search button

Foxhound3857
02-06-2011, 09:39 PM
stop being lazy there's a search button

Stop being a I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥, there's a copy/paste function.

PSBeardy
02-06-2011, 09:54 PM
you are comparing 20% cd with 7 amp. You need to quit right now.

I do not think you know what the hell your talking about bro, what is wrong with damage testing them? And if damage is steady 8 points difference on crits only the amp xtal is by far superior in all instances.....though in all fairness I do have 65% amp and att over 1K.....like I prefaced before not sure with FB's but all things being equal + and such just thought OP would like to know.

nate420
02-06-2011, 10:22 PM
if your a FB and thinking about goin with amp weapons your a f****** retard and should quit the game you never go amp weapons with FB.....pc tera suit of amp+9,bof+x,eof+7,osm boots/gloves 7%s.amp or tera boot/gloves of amp 5% or better+9 or better,pc redosm/topaz DB kat/crystal 36% or 40%,k red,pc tera helm of db 36 or 40% rof+9x3,merg ring(if your over 140 and can stack buffs)eov+5 or better,aop+5 or better......you nubs need to get it right

Foxhound3857
02-06-2011, 10:42 PM
if your a FB and thinking about goin with amp weapons your a f****** retard and should quit the game you never go amp weapons with FB.....pc tera suit of amp+9,bof+x,eof+7,osm boots/gloves 7%s.amp or tera boot/gloves of amp 5% or better+9 or better,pc redosm/topaz DB kat/crystal 36% or 40%,k red,pc tera helm of db 36 or 40% rof+9x3,merg ring(if your over 140 and can stack buffs)eov+5 or better,aop+5 or better......you nubs need to get it right

Um...FB's want CONSISTENCY with their damage, not random spikes.

TouchMyOneInchBeast
02-06-2011, 11:18 PM
I



nah

Foxhound3857
02-06-2011, 11:43 PM
nah

lolwut?

Berserk_Fury
02-07-2011, 05:34 AM
if your a FB and thinking about goin with amp weapons your a f****** retard and should quit the game you never go amp weapons with FB.....pc tera suit of amp+9,bof+x,eof+7,osm boots/gloves 7%s.amp or tera boot/gloves of amp 5% or better+9 or better,pc redosm/topaz DB kat/crystal 36% or 40%,k red,pc tera helm of db 36 or 40% rof+9x3,merg ring(if your over 140 and can stack buffs)eov+5 or better,aop+5 or better......you nubs need to get it right

You've obviously never tried.

Also I like how you say that someone using a forcium amp weapon is an idiot, then you tell them to use a rof+9.

NewEra
02-07-2011, 12:34 PM
forcium blade/kat 20CD +11 VS osm blade +11 36CD/40

forcy crystal+11 20CD/orb VS lapis DB crystal/orb+11

what's the difference between these two, like what if i use osm 40CD blade and forcy crystal/orb 2 slot wouldn't it be the same as forcy 2 slot blade with lapis?
is the dps better or less?

Berserk_Fury
02-07-2011, 06:32 PM
forcium blade/kat 20CD +11 VS osm blade +11 36CD/40

forcy crystal+11 20CD/orb VS lapis DB crystal/orb+11

what's the difference between these two, like what if i use osm 40CD blade and forcy crystal/orb 2 slot wouldn't it be the same as forcy 2 slot blade with lapis?
is the dps better or less?

20 forcium sword is better than 36/40 dmg osm sword.
Lapis 40 dmg +11 is about the same as forcium 10 dmg +11 in pve on high def targets, but it's better in pvp and on low def targets.

For your second question, no they won't be the same. Swords get a much bigger attack boost when going from osm to forcium than orbs/crystals get when going from lapis to forcium. That's why you see so many FBs using forcium and lapis and very little that use osm and forcium.

Foxhound3857
02-07-2011, 10:46 PM
But why use Lapis is Topaz is superior?

macbowes
02-07-2011, 11:42 PM
Use a +11 7% s. amp forcium blade/katana and a 36%/40% lapis or better xtal/orb.

Not that ing hard.

Foxhound3857
02-07-2011, 11:57 PM
TOPAZ, not LAPIS. Same stats required, higher damage.

MyForumIsFISHIN
02-08-2011, 01:12 AM
I do not think you know what the hell your talking about bro, what is wrong with damage testing them? And if damage is steady 8 points difference on crits only the amp xtal is by far superior in all instances.....though in all fairness I do have 65% amp and att over 1K.....like I prefaced before not sure with FB's but all things being equal + and such just thought OP would like to know.

Well for FB, its a higher difference on crits(for the 20 dmg) considering we have less CD from buffs than FS. And also theres nothing wrong with dual amp forcy weapons for a fb, infact out of the common builds, dual amp has the highest non crits obviously, one of the highest dps crits, but it has the lowest comp/g.mast/trans crits. Overall it evens out and it's a pretty good build, just not an end game build.

Now for dual OSM/Lapis 40 dmg, it has the lowest non crits, lowest dps crits, however the 2nd highest comp/g.mast/trans crits. This is a common and decent build and definitely not an end game build.
As for Redo/topaz, it's slightly better than the osm/lapis ( this build has the highest comp/g.mast/trans crits) This is a rare build and pretty good but once again, it isn't end game.
The dual 20 dmg Forcy build = 3rd highest non crits, One of the Highest DPS crits, high comp/g.mast/trans crits. This used to be the end game build because it ranks high in all areas and overall it's good for pretty much all situations. Now there are special crafted binded items that exceed this build.

Now for the half n half; amp/dmg. Now the most common variaton of this build is Forcy amp kat/blade paired off with lapis 40 dmg. It has Pretty high non crits, one of the highest DPS crits, pretty high comp/g.mast/trans crits. A uncommon and lesser variation of this build would be osm kat/blade with forcy amp orb/xtal. The reason this is lesser is because (as FPS stated) swords give a higher attack bonus when upgrading from osm to forcium. The best variation of this build would be Forcy amp / forcy dmg. It doesn't matter which weapon is amp or dmg considering they're both forcium. Now that variation has 2nd highest non crits, One of the Highest DPS crits, pretty high comp/g.mast/trans crits.

Now these are the basic builds. The more advance builds would be special crafted builds which I wont expand on. An example would be special crafted items like 7 amp 16 dmg or 14 amp. Those are also the end game builds. How you choose to build your fb solely depends on your weapon preference.

Now when you want to compare forcy to osm, please note that until forcy is +11, it wont reach it's full potential. Forcy at +11 beats out osm hands down at pretty much any +, however I'm not sure about +15. Forcy at +11 beats redo at all + except those about 13+. Once again it really depends on how you prefer your build. Don't forget when you're using low grade such as osm/redo, it's highly recommended that its the sword that gets the higher grade, not the orb/xtal. The grade of your weapons should be : Sword = Orb/Xtal, or Sword > Orb/Xtal. It's a really bad idea if the grade of your weapons are : sword < orb/xtal considering all that attack difference.

Soryuha
02-08-2011, 01:19 AM
But why use Lapis is Topaz is superior?

"But why use lapis, isn't topaz superior?"
I think that's what you're asking.

People suggest lapis cuz it's easier to get than topaz I suppose; assuming we're talking about 40% dmg weps.
Same reason bladers recommend 40% dmg osm blades/katanas rather than red osm ones.

NewEra
02-08-2011, 07:53 AM
20 forcium sword is better than 36/40 dmg osm sword.
Lapis 40 dmg +11 is about the same as forcium 10 dmg +11 in pve on high def targets, but it's better in pvp and on low def targets.

For your second question, no they won't be the same. Swords get a much bigger attack boost when going from osm to forcium than orbs/crystals get when going from lapis to forcium. That's why you see so many FBs using forcium and lapis and very little that use osm and forcium.

ohhh ok now i get it,thanks...because i just joined cabal about 5 to 6 months ago...so am a noob,thanks for replying

NewEra
02-08-2011, 07:55 AM
"But why use lapis, isn't topaz superior?"
I think that's what you're asking.

People suggest lapis cuz it's easier to get than topaz I suppose; assuming we're talking about 40% dmg weps.
Same reason bladers recommend 40% dmg osm blades/katanas rather than red osm ones.

lapis 36/40CD is cheaper and you can get one easy...while topaz is hard to get ,since in mercury we only have 1 36CD topaz char bind.

NewEra
02-08-2011, 08:09 AM
and,umm, what's a good combo when ur pvping all classes?

Berserk_Fury
02-08-2011, 08:26 AM
and,umm, what's a good combo when ur pvping all classes?

Doesn't exist

TouchMyOneInchBeast
02-08-2011, 08:59 AM
Nope

NewEra
02-08-2011, 10:20 AM
Doesn't exist

i see that means you gotta go by instinct...by what the other class is gonna use first i see then ty though.

aop+3 vs+5? and where do you get the extra rate apart from k-red(3 rate) where you get the other 3? if i dont got a pet

TouchMyOneInchBeast
02-08-2011, 10:21 AM
Nope

Berserk_Fury
02-08-2011, 10:41 AM
i see that means you gotta go by instinct...by what the other class is gonna use first i see then ty though.

aop+3 vs+5? and where do you get the extra rate apart from k-red(3 rate) where you get the other 3? if i dont got a pet

merga ring - 15 rate.