Help with Orbs

[jone]

Well I've recently decided to get amp orbs instead of CD.
I now have Forcium +7/+8 7% m.amp orbs.
I used to have Lapis Orb of DB +8 4/20 and Bluestin Crystal of DB +6 36% CD.

I'm curious to know if with amp orbs, am I meant to have such low CD?
With Forcy Orbs I have 55% CD but with my old set I had 111%.

I know my damage has improved a lot when it's non crit, but it's very similar when it's crit.

So basically, my question:
Is my CD meant to be so low when I am using amp orbs?

[DivineWrath]

Well I've recently decided to get amp orbs instead of CD.
I now have Forcium +7/+8 7% m.amp orbs.
I used to have Lapis Orb of DB +8 4/20 and Bluestin Crystal of DB +6 36% CD.

I'm curious to know if with amp orbs, am I meant to have such low CD?
With Forcy Orbs I have 55% CD but with my old set I had 111%.

I know my damage has improved a lot when it's non crit, but it's very similar when it's crit.

So basically, my question:
Is my CD meant to be so low when I am using amp orbs?

should be like 90-100% cdi

[jone]

How do I get it up so high?
The only way I can get it higher is by getting a pc dmg helm.
Then I would have 66% CD but with less other stats (having to trade my ros+9 for a RoL+1, to compensate losing 8 rate from my current helm)

[Drew]

20% Base + 36% Helm + 5% AoP+5 + 30% Crit ring + pet + 1% ur + 10% k-red = 102%

that's one mix...+ whatever u get from ur pet

ur=unique ring=merg ring

[Exception]

How do I get it up so high?
The only way I can get it higher is by getting a pc dmg helm.
Then I would have 66% CD but with less other stats (having to trade my ros+9 for a RoL+1, to compensate losing 8 rate from my current helm)

Buy a red board, and switch one of your orb to +11 forci with 10% Crit. DMG. I believe this orb will do a better job. You will have 86% Crit. DMG. Also, you can try to get Crit. ring +2 instead of RoS +9. That will add up 20% more Crit. DMG, so your Crit. DMG will be 106%. Good luck.

[Drew]

Buy a red board, and switch one of your orb to +11 forci with 10% Crit. DMG. I believe this orb will do a better job. You will have 86% Crit. DMG. Also, you can try to get Crit. ring +2 instead of RoS +9. That will add up 20% more Crit. DMG, so your Crit. DMG will be 106%. Good luck.

somebody obviously did not read the prior post lol

[Exception]

somebody obviously did not read the prior post lol

When I started mine, yours wasn't there. But anyways...

[jone]

Okay, thanks a lot guys.
Quick question though: You guys mentioned getting CR's.
If so, does that mean 50% crit rate is not neccessary?

[Drew]

Crit Rate = 5% Base + 25% Rol1/Merg ring + 11%astral + 3% k-red + % pet = 44%

if u have rol+2 and a couple from ur pet, u'd have 50+

til then, that'd do. Just spam critical lol

Besides, if u go either aura (+16 cr) or aos (+25 cr), u'd be wasting the +8 to +17 rate without max critical rate+ then u'll have to take off either rol+1 or merg and place there either another cr+2 or ros+9/10. or u have no need for the rate rings at all, either rol+1 or merg, temporarily while in those 2 buffs.

[jone]

Thanks a lot guys.
Question:
Does anyone know why the prices of m.amp forcy orbs have been dropping so much?

[Drew]

cuz for all intent and purpose, m.amp orbs just cater to FA's mostly...other classes which CAN use it --- wiz, fb, and fs prefer db or crystal or s.amp.

[MamaMiaYoe]

Thanks a lot guys.
Question:
Does anyone know why the prices of m.amp forcy orbs have been dropping so much?

To be honest with you. This is actually good, FA needs amp orb, its definitely a plus since the dmge dealt having amp orbs is greater than single slot crit damage if you compare them. I think the reason why its dropping is because of the emerging 2 slot/deathblow orb drops from ic2, soon the prices of these amp orbs will go even lower as more and more drops will pop up.

[XFearMyBladeX]

some FAs go forcy orb 20% cd or amp and lapis pc extend... and they do rlly good.... o.o

[jone]

some FAs go forcy orb 20% cd or amp and lapis pc extend... and they do rlly good.... o.o

Lol duhh
That's because those orbs cost billions :D (maybe except for the lapis)

[Sephiroth]

To be honest with you. This is actually good, FA needs amp orb, its definitely a plus since the dmge dealt having amp orbs is greater than single slot crit damage if you compare them. I think the reason why its dropping is because of the emerging 2 slot/deathblow orb drops from ic2, soon the prices of these amp orbs will go even lower as more and more drops will pop up.

That depends on the + on the orbs and if your bm2/pvp and your level.

[jone]

To be honest with you. This is actually good, FA needs amp orb, its definitely a plus since the dmge dealt having amp orbs is greater than single slot crit damage if you compare them. I think the reason why its dropping is because of the emerging 2 slot/deathblow orb drops from ic2, soon the prices of these amp orbs will go even lower as more and more drops will pop up.

Not good for me, since I bought my orbs about a month ago when they were still expensive.

[Sephiroth]

So.... how much Forcy Orb +11 m.amp sell this days??

[jone]

So.... how much Forcy Orb +11 m.amp sell this days??

I'm not sure about +11 since it's way out of my league - so I don't pay attention to it.
But a +7 goes for less than 500m these days; I've seen a few in AH for about 470.
A +8 is about 550 from what I've seen recently.

[Sephiroth]

Ah i see, I suggest saving and getting +11, FA need all the dmg they can get to compensate for the low def/hp :)

[jone]

Ah i see, I suggest saving and getting +11, FA need all the dmg they can get to compensate for the low def/hp :)

Is there any other orbs I can use that possibly won't cost as much?
From my rough estimates, a +11 would cost well over 1bil.. and I can't afford that :D

[jone]

Crit Rate = 5% Base + 25% Rol1/Merg ring + 11%astral + 3% k-red + % pet = 44%

if u have rol+2 and a couple from ur pet, u'd have 50+

til then, that'd do. Just spam critical lol

Besides, if u go either aura (+16 cr) or aos (+25 cr), u'd be wasting the +8 to +17 rate without max critical rate+ then u'll have to take off either rol+1 or merg and place there either another cr+2 or ros+9/10. or u have no need for the rate rings at all, either rol+1 or merg, temporarily while in those 2 buffs.

Thanks a lot, Drew.
You've helped me a lot.
I've only just found a flaw in your set up now, and I'm hoping you could help me out.

Since you suggested having these rings:
Merg, RoL+1, CR+2, CR+2; to get my 90-100 CD mentioned by Divine, does that mean I shouldn't be using a Force Absorb Ring, and getting my % HP steal from somewhere else?

[crushingraid]

thats a pvp layout. ofcourse if you land a hp steal % rune or swap out the kred with the absorb board then you will be set.

other wise you would have to swap out a ring for some force absorbs.

[jone]

Okay, thanks crushing.

Also, quick question about rate and CD.
Which option would be better?

1. 44% rate & 92% CD
2. 51% rate & 82% CD (I may get 52% depending on if I get an AoP+4 or +5).

[MamaMiaYoe]

Well I've recently decided to get amp orbs instead of CD.
I now have Forcium +7/+8 7% m.amp orbs.
I used to have Lapis Orb of DB +8 4/20 and Bluestin Crystal of DB +6 36% CD.

I'm curious to know if with amp orbs, am I meant to have such low CD?
With Forcy Orbs I have 55% CD but with my old set I had 111%.

I know my damage has improved a lot when it's non crit, but it's very similar when it's crit.

So basically, my question:
Is my CD meant to be so low when I am using amp orbs?

Those deathblow orbs are really good for crit, but sometimes even small numbers such as non-crit/base damage make a big difference to your overall combo damage in pvp. DB orbs espcially like PC Lapis/Topaz are good weapons, I want one so bad too, but how much do these go for? Feel free to get one if you can but >.< Remember, even with 50% crit rate you wont be critting all the time, these DB weapons are just for crit but your non crit will definitely go down. Your base with forciums stats can add just enough damage and push it for the next crit to finish the job, safer, although this may not be applicable for lower levels who cant wear forciums yet.


Lets look at a very similar class, The advantage of wizards is since their martial stats they gain more magic attack, they just need DB crit orbs, but rate wise look at the rate they need? You dont have to worry about that as FA >.< as we have rate add in one of our skills and astral bow. Magic attack and Amp is what we have to work on as it will all come down to dps whether the skills will crit or not, and ofcourse FA dps is.... you know already.

[MamaMiaYoe]

and I believe critical shot has that kind of (rate add) stats for a reason.

[shin265]

what fa needs most is forcy orb +11 of any single 2slot amp crt w/e as long as its +11 or higher :D

[beslosion]

Dual forcy or 1 forcy orb+topaz db

[Navi007]

what fa needs most is forcy orb +11 of any single 2slot amp crt w/e as long as its +11 or higher :D
is a forcy orb +10 single slot CD make the cut?

[jone]

is a forcy orb +10 single slot CD make the cut?

I think that a +11 10% CD is needed to beat a +8 amp orb.
+11 is the preferred target by most people, but +10 should do fine.

[Jelly]

If money is an issue, go farm ic1 for a decent lycanus orb. An 8amp/20dmg would be ideal.

[Navi007]

I think that a +11 10% CD is needed to beat a +8 amp orb.
+11 is the preferred target by most people, but +10 should do fine.
alright. thanks