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IcyWave
05-29-2011, 08:04 PM
OK so i was looking at a few threads and they were a bit outdated,so let me get straight to the point,since new orbs/crystals came out. i was told these choices are good.



FORCIUM ORB/CRYSTAL(2 slot+11) VS FORCIUM ORB/CRYSTAL(amp+11)

Even if i'm battle build.And what is a considerate amount of *AMP* should a FA have some people say having 50amp is good enough is it?...

And some say 2 SLOT FORCIUM orb/crystal Should be Mixed with FORCIUM ORB/CRYSTAL amp +11? good combination or bad they are both used for pvp/pve...

chainlock
05-29-2011, 08:07 PM
Crit weapons will crit harder than amp by a bit, both are good and it won't matter much end game.

What you really should do is build for what you like, if you like pve amp > crit. If you like pvp crit > amp, in war just get a leg. Mixing them is fine also.

Either build you go you should have 44+ amp.

Drew
05-29-2011, 08:28 PM
my stats are below.

i made a choice among:

1st choice (mix) 20 cd and 7%mamp orbs (middleground)
2nd (both crits) 40 cd on orbs and 0 amp (best when u crit but dead last when u don't)
3rd (both amp) 14% amp orbs (best average/base dmg and in gunz, but worst critting)

and that was the order I prefer to have them in both pvp and pve. btw, all orbs are just +8, but i'm presuming your subsequent tests on +11's will yield the same findings. I think.

I prefer orbs too cuz our innate weaps just ask a tad too much str and I'm not in forcium battle yet. The extra mattk u can get from having to use orbs, which are int-intensive too, will come in handy.

t4
mattk 1048
mamp 53
cr 50
cd 124

Happy sniping!

beslosion
05-29-2011, 09:52 PM
1 Amp + 1 Dmg orb is the worst dmg of the 3 options, 40% dmg is slightly better dps (especially when in Aura/Aos) than 14% amp (Although may be even or a little better in BM2) all of this however depends on ur crit rate, base magic attack, and amp and crit dmg

ctwo
05-29-2011, 10:45 PM
if you're rich go for +11 forcium 20%... if you want a more economical build just go +11 forcium amps ^_^,v.. invest in ROS10's too to boost up the magic attack and defense.

jone
05-29-2011, 10:49 PM
Unless you want to work out which is better for each individual skill that you will be using (by check out the magic attack, CR, CD and amp you will have), you can use this general formula.

20% CD > 7% amp

Drew
05-29-2011, 11:28 PM
1 Amp + 1 Dmg orb is the worst dmg of the 3 options, 40% dmg is slightly better dps (especially when in Aura/Aos) than 14% amp (Although may be even or a little better in BM2) all of this however depends on ur crit rate, base magic attack, and amp and crit dmg

not really.

do this:

assign a rating 1=best, 2=neither, 3=worst for the skills you use for each weap combination (mix, 40cd, full amp). Take a noob skill like critical shot, and the lances you prefer, as well as gd (being the single hit skill and easier to gauge damage unlike the 2 ss's)

Once assigned (and this is based on your tests, no pots or party, just your buffs), add the corresponding ratings on 3 categories: base, average, critical. So if a particular weap combination consistently gets the worst rating, it's weighted total will be 9 (3,3,3). Conversely, the best will get 3 (1,1,1).

These were my findings:


Mix 40cd Fullamp
PVE
GD 6 5 7
CS 4 8 6
--- --- ---
* 10 13 13

PVP
GD 6 5 7
CS 5 8 5
--- --- ---
* 11 13 12



*18 is worst, 6 is best.

In both departments, the balanced rating (neither best nor worst) made up for the Mix weap combination. Amp dominated the base deprtment but played poorly in the critical. 40cd played poorly, deadlast in the base deprtment but surprisingly didnt dominate the critical department either. On 2 instances, mix outdamages it in the critical (depending on the skill). Mix played consistently (never last) in any department and category.


Do your own method and comparison. Don't just take my word for it.

inb4usayuuseaosbm2inpvp

beslosion
05-30-2011, 01:06 AM
not really.

do this:

assign a rating 1=best, 2=neither, 3=worst for the skills you use for each weap combination (mix, 40cd, full amp). Take a noob skill like critical shot, and the lances you prefer, as well as gd (being the single hit skill and easier to gauge damage unlike the 2 ss's)

Once assigned (and this is based on your tests, no pots or party, just your buffs), add the corresponding ratings on 3 categories: base, average, critical. So if a particular weap combination consistently gets the worst rating, it's weighted total will be 9 (3,3,3). Conversely, the best will get 3 (1,1,1).

These were my findings:


Mix 40cd Fullamp
PVE
GD 6 5 7
CS 4 8 6
--- --- ---
* 10 13 13

PVP
GD 6 5 7
CS 5 8 5
--- --- ---
* 11 13 12



*18 is worst, 6 is best.

In both departments, the balanced rating (neither best nor worst) made up for the Mix weap combination. Amp dominated the base deprtment but played poorly in the critical. 40cd played poorly, deadlast in the base deprtment but surprisingly didnt dominate the critical department either. On 2 instances, mix outdamages it in the critical (depending on the skill). Mix played consistently (never last) in any department and category.


Do your own method and comparison. Don't just take my word for it.

inb4usayuuseaosbm2inpvp

Cute Little Set up, 2x 20% dmg orbs are the best dps end of story. Sorry u wasted ur time...

inb4uheardofwar

Drew
05-30-2011, 01:36 AM
Cute Little Set up, 2x 20% dmg orbs are the best dps end of story. Sorry u wasted ur time...



inb4uheardofwar

not really...not really trying to be antagonistic. just trying to help.

inb4urealizeweapchoicesdontmatterinwarcuzofleg

period.

beslosion
05-30-2011, 02:07 AM
not really...not really trying to be antagonistic. just trying to help.

inb4urealizeweapchoicesdontmatterinwarcuzofleg

period.
Not really 2x 20% dmg isn't best dps... go find a damage calc or ask any real FA plox.
Inb4ucanuseleginbm2

Drew
05-30-2011, 02:23 AM
Not really 2x 20% dmg isn't best dps... go find a damage calc or ask any real FA plox.
Inb4ucanuseleginbm2


i have an idea, why don't we slug it out huh? loser posts the results? whatsayu? ur cd build fa vs my mix one? oh wait, ur not a wi by any chance r u?

inb4urealizethisisthreadisaboutweapchoices

jone
05-30-2011, 03:02 AM
Not really 2x 20% dmg isn't best dps... go find a damage calc or ask any real FA plox.
Inb4ucanuseleginbm2

Yes, because 2x 40% dmg is obviously the best dps

IcyWave
05-30-2011, 07:33 AM
Yes, because 2x 40% dmg is obviously the best dps

you guys are arguing about which,what i asked was which is better? for pvp and pve wise? amp+11 or 2 slot+11 or mix amp with CD?

beslosion
05-30-2011, 08:41 AM
i have an idea, why don't we slug it out huh? loser posts the results? whatsayu? ur cd build fa vs my mix one? oh wait, ur not a wi by any chance r u?

inb4urealizethisisthreadisaboutweapchoices

Please be more butt hurt... just telling u what i think...
anywho Based on the stats u posted...
Crit shot lvl 20 Mixed: Average DPS in combo=4380 & Average DPS out of combo=3706
Crit Shot lvl 20 w/ 2x 20% dmg orbs, Average DPS in combo=4435 & Average DPS out of combo=3753

let me know if u want more

IcyWave
05-30-2011, 08:44 AM
Please be more butt hurt... just telling u what i think...
anywho Based on the stats u posted...
Crit shot lvl 20 Mixed: Average DPS in combo=4380 & Average DPS out of combo=3706
Crit Shot lvl 20 w/ 2x 20% dmg orbs, Average DPS in combo=4435 & Average DPS out of combo=3753

let me know if u want more

So what your saying is 2 x 20% dmg orbs good +11 right?

beslosion
05-30-2011, 09:45 AM
2x 20% dmg orbs are better dps when at the same + as amp orbs.
Crit shot depending on other base stats is about 40-60 dmg better w/ 2x 20% dmg orbs vs 1 amp + 1 20% dmg
GD depending on level 2x 20% dmg orbs do 60-90 dmg more than 1x amp+1x 20% dmg orb
and so on

Drew
05-30-2011, 01:44 PM
you guys are arguing about which,what i asked was which is better? for pvp and pve wise? amp+11 or 2 slot+11 or mix amp with CD?

and i answered it straight, even gave u the stats at which i said mix seems the best among the choices

go throw his calculations out the window and just test it out in the open (I emphasized that). That's why i suggested that we test it out there but he wouldn't wanna. Scared much?
If u change ur mind, pm me here for my ign. Walk the talk.

beslosion
05-30-2011, 02:26 PM
and i answered it straight, even gave u the stats at which i said mix seems the best among the choices

go throw his calculations out the window and just test it out in the open (I emphasized that). That's why i suggested that we test it out there but he wouldn't wanna. Scared much?
If u change ur mind, pm me here for my ign. Walk the talk.
Buying Big Ego Who sell pm me....
Numbers in game are gonna vary everytime u test because of crit rate...
If alz isn't a big problem and you want the best dps....
Go with 2x 20% dmg Forcium orbs....
Want more numbers pm me....

MamaMiaYoe
05-30-2011, 04:44 PM
2x +11 20% dmge forcium orb. I use amps, ive tried hans 2 slot when it was +11 and it did greater dmge than my +11 amp. kthnx

Drew
05-30-2011, 07:32 PM
2x +11 20% dmge forcium orb. I use amps, ive tried hans 2 slot when it was +11 and it did greater dmge than my +11 amp. kthnx

and yet u use 2 mamps ^^

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5525/unledot.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/unledot.jpg/)

Have u tried mixing it up? The op asked for 3 choices? U have to think sometimes outside of the box^^ but whatever floats everyone's boat, or to each his own i guess.

MamaMiaYoe
05-30-2011, 07:54 PM
and yet u use 2 mamps ^^

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5525/unledot.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/unledot.jpg/)

Have u tried mixing it up? The op asked for 3 choices? U have to think sometimes outside of the box^^ but whatever floats everyone's boat, or to each his own i guess.

Forcium Orb 20% critical damage +11 kthnx. Approved and tested. ><

Uhm I can actually get those orbs right now but I wont because there are other stuff I have to buy. Forcium m.amp works but 20% cdi is better. :)

MamaMiaYoe
05-30-2011, 07:54 PM
I havent touched my vrs for like ages. But my stats have changed btw. >.> especially when I got 180

XFearMyBladeX
06-06-2011, 06:46 AM
o.o hmm quick question.for fa,forcy orb 20% cd and lapis 40% cd OR dual forcy.wuts better....

IcyWave
06-06-2011, 08:10 AM
forcy all the way more base>fa feeds on base

MamaMiaYoe
06-06-2011, 10:17 AM
base! Yes! base! xD

The only way you'd want to go lower than forcium is if you can get 40/7 topaz or sig. But then again u have to upgrade it. Lapis is a no no.

MamaMiaYoe
06-06-2011, 11:38 AM
orifyoucanborrowgearandthenmakeasigoutofit
noimborntoglow ><

xTrav
07-21-2011, 10:32 AM
I think the only way that you could use a Lapis , is if it was pc 2 slot and +15 because we're nothing without our base. Anyone know the M atk of a +15 lapis?

MamaMiaYoe
07-21-2011, 04:24 PM
sig!!!!

MamaMiaYoe
07-21-2011, 04:25 PM
again! SIG 24/7 or go home ok?! LOL jk..


*hides

Milk
07-21-2011, 04:26 PM
hi kimiii

jone
07-21-2011, 11:11 PM
I think the only way that you could use a Lapis , is if it was pc 2 slot and +15 because we're nothing without our base. Anyone know the M atk of a +15 lapis?

Considering it was 2 slotted, an orb would have 169 magic and a crystal would have 166

IcyWave
07-22-2011, 06:22 AM
Considering it was 2 slotted, an orb would have 169 magic and a crystal would have 166

ok i'm gonna say this once for me..i don't know if it will help anyone else...use 2 slotted orb forcium never compare a lapis to it, forcium+11 orb gives 194 matk. lapis not so much..with 2x2 slot orb forcium+8 i have 1088 magic atk...with +11 i have 1187.(no magic atk rune.) and forcium orb is cheaper and it has better dps...if you wanna go lower than forcium it will have to be..sig 40dmg+11 and up,or topaz 7/34 or 40+11 and up.and forcium orb in merc is cheappppppp 450M...i tested it with a friends +11 orb vs my topaz +12 40dmg orbsx2 i had less magic with topaz..more magic with forcium..so i did better dmg with forcy.but you could mix topaz and forcium it's pretty good around 1070+ base you will get...just use the character builder APP.