View Full Version : Helm st Deathblow 36% cd+15 VS Helm st Outrageos 7% amp 24cd+15
fallensky
08-09-2011, 06:03 PM
As title....
which 1 is better ?
actually i prefer more on war...
ppl say dat amp gud on BM2 n CD suit on combo
but i dunno which 1 is better.....
can u guys gimme sum explaination on this situation i list below?
or just gimme any suggestion.....
1. Nation war non BM2
2. Nation war BM2
3. Kill Boss in dungeon
4. PVE or lvling
5. PVP ~ useless (crit = win) but just for my info....
need u guys help on my situation...... thanks
SilvusX
08-09-2011, 06:16 PM
a 7 amp 24 dmg helm should be compared with a 41 dmg helm~
They are fairly equal, the amp is stronger in bm2 only by a little bit. There was a test i've done, and from what I recall, the overall damage in the duration of 90 seconds between the two are like 3,000 damage difference, which can be easily made up with a terra lance after bm2 ends. (note this was against a 900 defense player).
you can do further testing on your own with www.cabalc.com
1. 41% dmg helm wins
2. 7/24 helm wins
3. 7/24 helm wins
4. 41% dmg helm wins
5. depends on your m atk amp, and your opponent's defense. You'll run into situations where x player with 1.3k defense and your 41% dmg helm dealing less than 7 amp 24 dmg, and you'll also run into situations where x player with 600 defense and your high base dmg x multiply skyrockets dealing hundred damage over 7/24 amp.
plzbuffme
08-09-2011, 06:29 PM
7amp sounds good on paper
but in the end dif is only 0.07x your total dmg output
fallensky
08-09-2011, 06:43 PM
a 7 amp 24 dmg helm should be compared with a 41 dmg helm~
They are fairly equal, the amp is stronger in bm2 only by a little bit. There was a test i've done, and from what I recall, the overall damage in the duration of 90 seconds between the two are like 3,000 damage difference, which can be easily made up with a terra lance after bm2 ends. (note this was against a 900 defense player).
you can do further testing on your own with www.cabalc.com
1. 41% dmg helm wins
2. 7/24 helm wins
3. 7/24 helm wins
4. 41% dmg helm wins
5. depends on your m atk amp, and your opponent's defense. You'll run into situations where x player with 1.3k defense and your 41% dmg helm dealing less than 7 amp 24 dmg, and you'll also run into situations where x player with 600 defense and your high base dmg x multiply skyrockets dealing hundred damage over 7/24 amp.
yeah forget bout dat (41% cd after sem) sry...
u sure pve at PI 41% cd win??
look like amp got mny win on all situation dat i give...
ur opinion is??
which 1?
fallensky
08-09-2011, 06:44 PM
7amp sounds good on paper
but in the end dif is only 0.07x your total dmg output
my magic 1171
Dakaka
08-09-2011, 08:44 PM
7/7/24 wins meng
SilvusX
08-09-2011, 09:25 PM
7amp sounds good on paper
but in the end dif is only 0.07x your total dmg output
if a skill deals 500 damage non crit to player and x 0.07 = 35 damage increase. 35 on non crit is huge, because that's equalization of 70 critical damage, given that you have 50/50 rate. Not to mention critical APPLIES ON TOP OF AMP. if Amp was 0.07x of the original damage then it'd be overpowered.
However, that's not how damage is calculated. It's M atk * (Skill AMP + ITEM AMP) + added damage. 7 amp is actually 0.07 of your M ATK! added to the bubble.
yeah forget bout dat (41% cd after sem) sry...
u sure pve at PI 41% cd win??
look like amp got mny win on all situation dat i give...
ur opinion is??
which 1?
Yes of course, in PVE against any mob that does not have uber defense (pluma, derk boss like defense). CD is stronger than amp.
For example, 200% cdi
a skill that deals 300 to high def boss like PLUMA 200% cd bonus makes it (300 * 300) = 900.
A skill that deals 500 mobs that have lesser def than Pluma, with 200% cd bonus makes it (500 * 300) = 1500.
A even better example would be, hitting stuff with like 0 def, like Fire gates in Ft1. I can crit 6k ish there with crit shot, but deals lesser damage (like maybe 5.5k ish with terra lance). but when it comes to high def boss like trolls, I can see crit shot dealing 2k's while terra going over 2.5k's
To be honest, you'd get a better idea if you do the calculation yourself
www.cabalc.com
make sure you set all the skills to lvl 20, its defaulted at 9!
7/7/24 wins meng
Agreed.
I'm actually considering getting this :D
(over my 36% CD osm)
fallensky
08-09-2011, 11:19 PM
if a skill deals 500 damage non crit to player and x 0.07 = 35 damage increase. 35 on non crit is huge, because that's equalization of 70 critical damage, given that you have 50/50 rate. Not to mention critical APPLIES ON TOP OF AMP. if Amp was 0.07x of the original damage then it'd be overpowered.
However, that's not how damage is calculated. It's M atk * (Skill AMP + ITEM AMP) + added damage. 7 amp is actually 0.07 of your M ATK! added to the bubble.
Yes of course, in PVE against any mob that does not have uber defense (pluma, derk boss like defense). CD is stronger than amp.
For example, 200% cdi
a skill that deals 300 to high def boss like PLUMA 200% cd bonus makes it (300 * 300) = 900.
A skill that deals 500 mobs that have lesser def than Pluma, with 200% cd bonus makes it (500 * 300) = 1500.
A even better example would be, hitting stuff with like 0 def, like Fire gates in Ft1. I can crit 6k ish there with crit shot, but deals lesser damage (like maybe 5.5k ish with terra lance). but when it comes to high def boss like trolls, I can see crit shot dealing 2k's while terra going over 2.5k's
To be honest, you'd get a better idea if you do the calculation yourself
www.cabalc.com
make sure you set all the skills to lvl 20, its defaulted at 9!
ive done calculating myself......
the result show dat cd win on average dmg....
but in other situation amp still win..... (bm2 on boss is da best for amp user)
but not too big diffrnt....
p/s : is it sum1 got slot rate 'catalyst' o u guys still use random style??
fallensky
08-09-2011, 11:23 PM
7/7/24 wins meng
amp 70% quite high......
hurm.......
i cant go try for 2 helm.....
just choose the right item n suit me....
SilvusX
08-10-2011, 06:14 PM
they are fairly equal, i would go for the cheapest, and non binding if possible ones.
fallensky
08-10-2011, 11:53 PM
amp n cd helm price got a big different..... like 1:3
not many FA using amp for helm?
amp n cd helm price got a big different..... like 1:3
not many FA using amp for helm?
It's actually more like 2:5
and I'm actually considering getting myself an amp helm
fallensky
08-10-2011, 11:57 PM
It's actually more like 2:5
and I'm actually considering getting myself an amp helm
ic.... u try b4? pve using amp n pve using cd?
which 1 better? (at Porta Inferno)
ic.... u try b4? pve using amp n pve using cd?
which 1 better? (at Porta Inferno)
I don't really care, because I'm an amp whore :P
but the difference really isn't all that big.
fallensky
08-11-2011, 12:04 AM
do u mind show me ur stat jone?
MamaMiaYoe
08-12-2011, 11:09 AM
crit shot will deal a BIT more damage with the 24/7 than the 36%. Other than that skill, 36% will be the same. 20cdi/7amp = 34% crit damage.
Just remember, if were basing this choices on PvP. Prolly most people these days are equipped with the minus amp damp belt. so 24/7 in my opinion wont be that useful compared to 36%
24/7 should also not be a choice over a 40/7 (reason why 36% helms are more expensive than 20/7)