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Osmio
06-05-2012, 12:40 PM
Copied from EU forums, credit goes to Zetsuro. I agree with this post and you guys should know this too.

Hey guys, I am just letting you know that it will NOT kill your stats if you decide to use a daikatana. In fact, it may be better in the end.

Okay, so, this is just based off of straight numbers, no bias in any ways. I have just heard that using a daikatana is detrimental to a WA's attack which is far from the truth.

First, we'll take a Mith GS+9 and a Mith DAI+9,
(after +7 i believe it does not require any more points to use a gs or dai of a higher grade; GS and DAI+9 have same stat requirements for GS and DAI+15 for example.)

Next, look at the stats to use each.
The GS needs 612 STR, 68 INT and 68 DEX
The Dai needs 476 STR, 68 INT and 204 DEX

For a WA, a point in STR = 0.30 ATTACK, while a point in DEX = 0.20 ATTACK. INT = 0 so we don't count it.
Some simple calculations;

GREATSWORD:
612x0.30 = 183.6 ATTACK
68x0.20 = 13.6 ATTACK
+3 ATTACK for being a GS
Total = 200.2 ATTACK - rounded to 200 attack

DAIKATANA:
476x0.30 = 142.8 ATTACK
204x0.20 = 40.8 ATTACK
Total = 182.8 - rounded to 183 attack

As you can see, we find that the so called blasphemy to the WA class, the Daikatana, holds it own and only has 17 less attack than the Greatsword.

However, we all know that Daikatanas are much cheaper when it comes to price. I got myself a 52dmg Mith Dai (haven't +'d yet) for only 500kk (I PLAY FROM NA), while a GS of that sort would cost upwards of 1 Bil, if there were any even on the AH.

With the extra cash I'd save from buying a Dai instead of a GS, I could improve my other parts which would consequently be more effective than the 17 lost attack.

TL;DR - The GS only holds about 17 more attack than the DAI at the mithril grade. Give or take a few attack, the Dai costs much less and therefore it can be on par if not better in the end.

Thanks for reading...happy hunting :P

boredom
06-06-2012, 07:03 AM
Using a daik over sig = waste if u ask me (unless u got bumba's :p). GS will always be better stat wise since your stats transfer into NW, even if the difference is minor.

P.S. I use a daik :D

Cathy
06-06-2012, 07:40 AM
Using a daik over sig = waste if u ask me (unless u got bumba's :p). GS will always be better stat wise since your stats transfer into NW, even if the difference is minor.

P.S. I use a daik :D

are you saying you got bumba's daik? :>

boredom
06-06-2012, 07:47 AM
are you saying you got bumba's daik? :>

o.O!!

SemiAutoMatic
06-06-2012, 10:39 AM
Using a daik over sig = waste if u ask me (unless u got bumba's :p). GS will always be better stat wise since your stats transfer into NW, even if the difference is minor.

P.S. I use a daik :D


are you saying you got bumba's daik? :>


o.O!!
I don't think he has bumba's daik... He'd easily have over 1.3k attack. Then that 60 rate can only come from 14/80 red osm diak with 7/40 helm and rate in pet. But if he does have Bumba's diak then he has a rated and dmg RW3 along with a 15/24 helm.

Then the new bracelets can come into play so it's hard to say. But with a +15 forcy a WA should easily break 1.3k attack if he's 180+ np.

Osmio
06-06-2012, 12:17 PM
Using a daik over sig = waste if u ask me. GS will always be better stat wise since your stats transfer into NW, even if the difference is minor.

P.S. I use a daik :D
lol did you even read? he said that it will have a better atk, not by much, but its there

and anyways thats NW...which is a small % of the game. Between open world pking, pvp, pve, chaos arenas...it's not a waste. Besides, that money you save can go towards better things for NW anyways, like hp upgrades.

boredom
06-07-2012, 12:32 AM
why would u want hp in war? resist rate and def scales so much better.

Osmio
06-07-2012, 11:43 AM
why would u want hp in war? resist rate and def scales so much better.
it was just an example, sure, go for resist rate and def then. either way you slice it they beat out atk.

ColdFire
06-08-2012, 01:18 PM
retards and future retards will pay attention to this thread.

Andrea
06-09-2012, 02:54 AM
17+3=20 attk, looks to me like a cape tier apart. stick with ur daik, i'll stick with gs

boredom
06-09-2012, 07:11 AM
find me a warrior that sw distro nearly 1.8k then.

btw, my stats in vrs are somewhat changed. few things improved =P

Osmio
06-09-2012, 09:13 AM
+3 ATTACK for being a GS



17+3=20 attk, looks to me like a cape tier apart. stick with ur daik, i'll stick with gs
lrn2read, its actually 17


find me a warrior that sw distro nearly 1.8k then.


english please.

Osmio
06-09-2012, 09:16 AM
retards and future retards will pay attention to this thread.

you must be retarded if you think that you can't get something better than 17 attack for the 500m+ that you save on going with daik.

Sprite
06-09-2012, 12:22 PM
lrn2read, its actually 17



english please.

since we're on the topic of grammar policing -- it's*

Andrea
06-09-2012, 03:43 PM
and it's l2read lol

Cathy
06-10-2012, 01:58 PM
you must be retarded if you think that you can't get something better than 17 attack for the 500m+ that you save on going with daik.

That's only if you're low level. By the time you're endgame, anything as good as 17 attack will be billions.

500mil is nothing; so you shouldn't call people retarded for saying the 17 attack is worth it. Because it really is, especially if you're over 180.

plzbuffme
06-10-2012, 03:40 PM
only a handful of people in this game will get to a point where they have nothing to improve but get that extra attack stats.

centkin
06-10-2012, 06:15 PM
Wouldnt it be more apt (figuring 10 attack is around an amp) to compare a 3% forcium greatsword to a 5% forcium daik or a 3% forcium daik to a destruction forcium greatsword or a slotted forcium greatsword with a slightly higher plus?

Osmio
06-11-2012, 01:20 PM
since we're on the topic of grammar policing -- it's*
no, I wasn't policing, I was literally asking for english as I couldn't understand what he was saying.

That's only if you're low level. By the time you're endgame, anything as good as 17 attack will be billions.

500mil is nothing; so you shouldn't call people retarded for saying the 17 attack is worth it. Because it really is, especially if you're over 180.
Only used retard as a reply to what he said to me, please read his post. Anyways, I never said that this was for end game. Most of the people that are asking for Wep advice are way under 180, and 80% don't intend or never will reach 180+. I doubt that you yourself do not have anything else to improve rather than attack, so please get to that point and then speak on that small group's behalf.

only a handful of people in this game will get to a point where they have nothing to improve but get that extra attack stats.
My point exactly. I find it funny how even when someone posts something good people find ways to attack it. Even if someone had nothing left to improve, they probably wouldn't blame you for using something slightly worse to help you get there.

Its not night and day. However, to a 140, 500mil is a lot. If you someone will argue that with me, than don't even post on here.

ColdFire
06-12-2012, 11:09 AM
500m for "17 attack"

multiply that by 10..

5b for 170 attack? where please? i'd gladly pay the fk up

Osmio
06-12-2012, 12:23 PM
500m for "17 attack"

multiply that by 10..

5b for 170 attack? where please? i'd gladly pay the fk up

You must be simple. It doesn't work like that. You could multiply it by 1000 and make the gap seem even bigger than it is, but it isn't. The 17 attack is stationary, it doesn't change, I don't care if you'd pay up 5b or 500b, it is what it is. Anyways, according to your concept, I could buy 50 SEM for 5B, and extend my weps and gain 12% crit dmg x 50 = 600% crit dmg, which I'd take over the attack. However, does that 600% crit dmg or "170 attack" exist? Hell no...

Wow.

ColdFire
06-12-2012, 02:09 PM
It's quite clear that you are nowhere near endgame. Keep talking on behalf of t1 like the clueless garbage you are

Osmio
06-13-2012, 12:10 PM
It's quite clear that you are nowhere near endgame. Keep talking on behalf of t1 like the clueless garbage you are

When did I say I was endgame? Maybe if you read the thread you would see I said that its for people who are asking about their equips? And did I not, and I quote, say "Anyways, I never said that this was for end game. Most of the people that are asking for Wep advice are way under 180, and 80% don't intend or never will reach 180+", and "However, to a 140, 500mil is a lot. If you someone will argue that with me, than don't even post on here" ?

Read the thread before you spew your BS kid.

And maybe if you played the game, you'd know that forcium isn't even available till TIER F*CKING 3???

Anyways, I've been playing this game since '09, and I am not speaking on behalf of t1. However it's quite clear that you have no real facts to come back with against my points.
Even if I was in t1, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that for someone levelling up its not LIFE OR DEATH to lose 17 attack and gain something better for THAT TIME PERIOD.

'Nuff said, the thread.

P.S; to avoid some retarded reply, yes, I've played since '09 but I created this account for the name "Osmio", which I wanted in 2011.

ColdFire
06-13-2012, 04:20 PM
I appreciate the time and effort you put into your multi paragraph responses, but this thread and your advice is completely useless.

Gs>daik & any price difference is always worth it. Let the retards that think othetwise(and you) do what they want.

Davynelord
06-14-2012, 06:57 AM
I appreciate the time and effort you put into your multi paragraph responses, but this thread and your advice is completely useless.

Gs>daik & any price difference is always worth it. Let the retards that think othetwise(and you) do what they want.

Just curious, what information do you base your opinion on? Can you confirm that GS is always better than DK in any situation?

Just saying, without facts to back up claims like yours and considering the many ways of developing a character, it is indeed your statements that are completely useless to threads like these because you are disputing the validity of the thread yet your not providing any construction criticism or adding any other form of information to help others that read this thread in choosing DK or GS...

So as an objective reader, how does your statement make me believe you over the information the thread started posted? Seems like your more focused on attacking the beliefs of the messenger rather than dealing with the topic and it's potential issues.

boredom
06-14-2012, 08:00 AM
I appreciate the time and effort you put into your multi paragraph responses, but this thread and your advice is completely useless.

Gs>daik & any price difference is always worth it. Let the retards that think othetwise(and you) do what they want.

^ Guess im retarded guys.

ColdFire
06-14-2012, 12:15 PM
@randomGuy sorry I don't care enough to explain my reasoning. But it should be obvious

@trap I was under the impression that ur wep was gs. Regardless, in the case of a weapon being endgame/unique enough for the probability or certainty that a gs version does not/will not exist in the near future -- then obviously the daik is the way to go considering its the ONLY way you can go.

Prime example: bumbas daik... and I guess traps daik if it is one

Thank youuuu!

Sprite
06-14-2012, 12:17 PM
@randomGuy sorry I don't care enough to explain my reasoning. But it should be obvious

@trap I was under the impression that ur wep was gs. Regardless, in the case of a weapon being endgame/unique enough for the probability or certainty that a gs version does not/will not exist in the near future -- then obviously the daik is the way to go considering its the ONLY way you can go.

Prime example: bumbas daik... and I guess traps daik if it is one

Thank youuuu!

lol u don't know trap's daik? that sht is better than bumba's LOL. 14/80 forc daik +15 no joke

ColdFire
06-14-2012, 12:22 PM
yeahh I can tell by his attack it sure is forcium

Osmio
06-14-2012, 01:13 PM
yeahh I can tell by his attack it sure is forcium

lol, switch your opinion now or something? hahaha...

ColdFire
06-14-2012, 02:33 PM
You quoted my sarcasm.. How retarded are you on a scale of 1 to jimbo

Sprite
06-14-2012, 02:37 PM
You quoted my sarcasm.. How retarded are you on a scale of 1 to jimbo

which way is the highest level of retardism?

jimbo
06-14-2012, 03:36 PM
you quoted my sarcasm.. How retarded are you on a scale of 1 to jimbo
im offended

boredom
06-14-2012, 09:15 PM
which way is the highest level of retardism?

iseewhatyoudidthere :p

Corvettezr1
06-14-2012, 09:28 PM
hmmmmmm..... so whos retarded? o.o

Osmio
06-15-2012, 08:31 PM
You quoted my sarcasm.. How retarded are you on a scale of 1 to jimbo
man, you sure at sarcasm.

anyways since this dispute is settled, I'll leave it at that.

ColdFire
06-17-2012, 12:06 PM
You'd have to be pretty bad to believe trap has only 1240ish attack with a forcium weapon..

Obvious sarcasm if you knew more about warriors or cabal in general

Osmio
06-17-2012, 02:56 PM
You'd have to be pretty bad to believe trap has only 1240ish attack with a forcium weapon..

Obvious sarcasm if you knew more about warriors or cabal in general

nice one, took you 2 whole days to come up with it?

since you've got nothing worthwhile to say i'm gonna stop replying to you, I can feel my brain cells dying up there.

gg ;)

ColdFire
06-18-2012, 12:28 PM
lol i'm assuming i have to get on cabal forums everyday just so i reply to you quickly enough?

don't be upset about me knowing more about warriors than you lol.

jimbo
06-27-2012, 06:03 AM
which way is the highest level of retardism?
1 is the highest level jimbo is brilliance

dee92
11-09-2012, 09:51 PM
lol i'm assuming i have to get on cabal forums everyday just so i reply to you quickly enough?

don't be upset about me knowing more about warriors than you lol.

you seem pretty up yourself aii? =)

Lulu
11-10-2012, 07:25 PM
lol i'm assuming i have to get on cabal forums everyday just so i reply to you quickly enough?

don't be upset about me knowing more about warriors than you lol.
Hi.

MamaMiaYoe
01-15-2013, 07:25 AM
I dont know. I kinda got enlightened by the thread but people kept saying left and right that daik is garbage unless its Bumba's. But why do Daikatanas exist as a warrior's optional weapon if its useless like what most people say? coz its cheaper and for those people who cant afford a GS of epic stats? I know its a DUUUUH kinda thing or mentality to those who are so knowledged about the WA class but Im also a new player to the class. so forgive my might seem stupid thoughts.
Could there be a change to this mentality? probably not. But I sold my main character because of a forcium daikatana of annihilation :) Maybe I can figure out something to make it work.

Peaches
01-15-2013, 07:52 AM
I dont know. I kinda got enlightened by the thread but people kept saying left and right that daik is garbage unless its Bumba's. But why do Daikatanas exist as a warrior's optional weapon if its useless like what most people say? coz its cheaper and for those people who cant afford a GS of epic stats? I know its a DUUUUH kinda thing or mentality to those who are so knowledged about the WA class but Im also a new player to the class. so forgive my might seem stupid thoughts.
Could there be a change to this mentality? probably not. But I sold my main character because of a forcium daikatana of annihilation :) Maybe I can figure out something to make it work.

Lots of EU players use Daiks o.o

for reasons I don't fully understand

chainlock
01-15-2013, 10:36 PM
I dont know. I kinda got enlightened by the thread but people kept saying left and right that daik is garbage unless its Bumba's. But why do Daikatanas exist as a warrior's optional weapon if its useless like what most people say? coz its cheaper and for those people who cant afford a GS of epic stats? I know its a DUUUUH kinda thing or mentality to those who are so knowledged about the WA class but Im also a new player to the class. so forgive my might seem stupid thoughts.
Could there be a change to this mentality? probably not. But I sold my main character because of a forcium daikatana of annihilation :) Maybe I can figure out something to make it work.

The difference between forcium GS and Daikatana is you get 50 more dex (if you use forcium armor), what that translates to stat wise is 5 less attack from stats, exactly the same defense, 68 more attack rate, and 40 more defense rate.




Lots of EU players use Daiks o.o

for reasons I don't fully understand

If you find a better dai there is no reason not to use it over a gs.

MamaMiaYoe
01-18-2013, 05:36 AM
Cool. Im kind of happy with my daikatana decision now.

Tenrai
01-18-2013, 09:16 AM
From the looks of attribute allocation Daikatana will give you a hmmm may be 3-5% boost within the pve spectrum :D

MamaMiaYoe
02-18-2013, 04:55 PM
From the looks of attribute allocation Daikatana will give you a hmmm may be 3-5% boost within the pve spectrum :D
I love my Daikatana!

Valdoroth
02-21-2013, 05:49 PM
Also seeing as next update the additions that each stat gives can also differ how people will allocate their stats.

MamaMiaYoe
02-25-2013, 05:42 AM
Daikatana users will rise! o.o

Andrea
03-13-2013, 05:11 PM
After the GMs (if they will at all) remove the senseless posts above this, now using Daik makes sense. This thread was a year ahead of its time lol. I've always maintained that if u'r more into pve, use daik (what the op didn't show in his post was the def rate u'd get from Daik). I didn't think tho that in the old days, the extra def rate as opposed to the 17 attk u'd lose from turning daik is worth the switch, even in pve. Withe the update howver, turning daik and meeting the 204 dex would translate to loads of attk rate which daiks also have more of and believe me are NOW important in a wa's bm's (it so painful to be seeing 2 eyesores now--- miss before now block too more often than the other classes)...as well as loads of def rate and evasion.

After the update, in my case, same gears and accessories and level, yet the bl stayed the same in boss hunting as far as dmg and survivability are concerned. Heck, the FA became better in boss hunting. The wa became worse because i was built for dmg more than the defense aspects. Turning Daik solved it but still not anywhere as near the raised stats of both the BL and FA.

So, yeah, Wa's been nerfed in this update to force u to explore other weaps and stat distribution and pay attention not just to the new stats but the long ignored attk/def rates and flee, now evasion.

Andrea
03-13-2013, 11:38 PM
i just realized when I transferred a total of 102 str to dex to be able to use Daik, I gained all those stats I posted above but lost 20 hp...hmm. That normal or a new trade-off in this new update?