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Hash
07-09-2010, 05:01 PM
So my main got deleted (long story) so starting over. My gear plan is as follow:

Tit martial/armor helm DB +7 , 10-15 rate/24 cd
Osm Armorsuit +7 - 7/50
Mergy Ring
RoL+1
2x CR+1/2
Stit s amp gloves and boots + 7
2x Forcy blades +6 10cd
2x BoF+3 slotted
Pet w/ 1% hp steal, 2%cd and 1% s amp
AoP+5

With this build i would have 45 rate [with a 15/24 helm, only 40 rate with 10/24] and 102% cd [with 2x crit ring +2, 92% with 2x crit ring +1] w/o skills, and 41% amp with somewhere between 900-1000 attack. what do u think

LackofABetterName
07-09-2010, 05:43 PM
the helm is gonna be kinda expensive.

I guess it depends on your budget.

Lelouch
07-09-2010, 05:46 PM
Needs more cd >.>

LackofABetterName
07-09-2010, 05:50 PM
use forcium blade (either s amp or cdi) with 30%/pc cdi osm blade would boost your cdi by a bit.

but then again, gear cost money.

darklordex
07-09-2010, 06:13 PM
yeap

Hash
07-09-2010, 06:34 PM
i know the helm might cost a bit, but theres a tit martialhelm possible 10/24 in ah for 111m .. might be rate 2nd slot but ... and i was going to go forcy s amp +6 + a osm/redosm db but i like a higher base attack for non crits aswell .. and i think that ill still have hard crits with forcy 10 cd ... also i want a high base attack and crit rate for bm2 without aura.

edit : also if i have a forcy 10cd and a forcy 7% amp then that will make my crit damage even lower.

Hash
07-10-2010, 07:13 PM
Bump

LackofABetterName
07-11-2010, 12:07 PM
so, what exactly is your budget for weapons?

it could range from 200 mil per hand to 2 bil per hand.

also, base is important, but cdi is important too.

jimbo
07-11-2010, 03:04 PM
So my main got deleted (long story) so starting over. My gear plan is as follow:

Tit martial/armor helm DB +7 , 10-15 rate/24 cd
Osm Armorsuit +7 - 7/50
Mergy Ring
RoL+1
2x CR+1/2
Stit s amp gloves and boots + 7
2x Forcy blades +6 10cd
2x BoF+3 slotted
Pet w/ 1% hp steal, 2%cd and 1% s amp
AoP+5

With this build i would have 45 rate [with a 15/24 helm, only 40 rate with 10/24] and 102% cd [with 2x crit ring +2, 92% with 2x crit ring +1] w/o skills, and 41% amp with somewhere between 900-1000 attack. what do u think

epic pet

Hash
07-11-2010, 06:35 PM
so, what exactly is your budget for weapons?

it could range from 200 mil per hand to 2 bil per hand.

also, base is important, but cdi is important too.

umm .. i dont want the weps to be too expensive .. im starting over and i dont really have a budget until i start farming, but i want the weps to be no more than 800m each. Also i know that crit damage is important, but i have tested it and the crits are almost exactly the same with the 2 builds i was thinking of. The average dps of 1x forcy +6 7 amp and 1x forcy +6 10cd is almost exactly the same as 1x forcy+6 7 amp and 1x osm +7 30%cd, with the non crits being higher but the crits being slightly lower. Thats just the main reason i have chosen 2x forcy. Also, 2x forcy is better in bm2 by a lot, and i like dungeon running/NWing and (lol) of course bm2 is my favorite battle mode =D


epic pet
lmao its not that great a pet .. ive seen a lot of pets like that which arent too expensive

Rastan
07-11-2010, 07:52 PM
So my main got deleted (long story) so starting over. My gear plan is as follow:

Tit martial/armor helm DB +7 , 10-15 rate/24 cd
Osm Armorsuit +7 - 7/50
Mergy Ring
RoL+1
2x CR+1/2
Stit s amp gloves and boots + 7
2x Forcy blades +6 10cd
2x BoF+3 slotted
Pet w/ 1% hp steal, 2%cd and 1% s amp
AoP+5

With this build i would have 45 rate [with a 15/24 helm, only 40 rate with 10/24] and 102% cd [with 2x crit ring +2, 92% with 2x crit ring +1] w/o skills, and 41% amp with somewhere between 900-1000 attack. what do u think

it always looks good on paper

Hash
07-11-2010, 11:48 PM
it always looks good on paper

Fair comment. I know i may not end up this good or have the "potential" but i just want to know if anyone has a better build that i can work towards instead of this one, mainly those builds that i have not thought of or have disregarded as i believe mine is better at maximizing damage output overall.

jimbo
07-12-2010, 05:27 AM
umm .. i dont want the weps to be too expensive .. im starting over and i dont really have a budget until i start farming, but i want the weps to be no more than 800m each. Also i know that crit damage is important, but i have tested it and the crits are almost exactly the same with the 2 builds i was thinking of. The average dps of 1x forcy +6 7 amp and 1x forcy +6 10cd is almost exactly the same as 1x forcy+6 7 amp and 1x osm +7 30%cd, with the non crits being higher but the crits being slightly lower. Thats just the main reason i have chosen 2x forcy. Also, 2x forcy is better in bm2 by a lot, and i like dungeon running/NWing and (lol) of course bm2 is my favorite battle mode =D


lmao its not that great a pet .. ive seen a lot of pets like that which arent too expensive

lol just saying its a good pet no fail slots

Hash
07-12-2010, 05:07 PM
It will probably have some fail slots ... Best one i've seen that matches what I want is 3 def, 1 s amp, 10 alz amount, 2 cd and 1% hp steal ... Lvl 5 pet lol

4SaKeN
07-14-2010, 05:54 AM
ummmm hash did u dmg test on a dummy? -.-
coz if you did we got a problem ><

Hash
07-14-2010, 09:38 PM
no i didnt test it on a dummy >_>

okay new idea presented by people in game:

Forcy+6 7s amp and a Tita +7 40cd 5 attack blade instead of osm 30cd (i was going to go forcy +6 7s amp and osm +7 30cd) ... what are the thoughts on this ? =/

chainlock
07-14-2010, 10:43 PM
http://forum.cabal.com/showthread.php?1073-Cabal-Damage-Calculator-by-LastHour&highlight=damage+calculator

Matrimoney
07-15-2010, 09:20 AM
no i didnt test it on a dummy >_>

okay new idea presented by people in game:

Forcy+6 7s amp and a Tita +7 40cd 5 attack blade instead of osm 30cd (i was going to go forcy +6 7s amp and osm +7 30cd) ... what are the thoughts on this ? =/

If you can't afford 30 dmg +7 osm, a +6 10 cdi forc is a decent replacement. S.amp forcs are OVERRATED...don't waste your money. A rate tit helm with rate in slot will be hard to find. You might have to settle with a 15/24 tit blade or a 7/3x tit blade. I've got a 7/31 I can sell you for like 175, 2nd slots empty. I'd honestly go with an 8 rate helm, 7/31 blade and forc cdi blade...puts you at 45 base rate which is a must for bossing. You lose a bit of base attack from the tit, but the 7 rate more than makes up for it.

stranger
07-15-2010, 10:48 AM
Actually i just test my dmg on pf too.(the mob at the entrace). i use +7 and +6 focy s.amp blade. non-critical is around 90-105 more. and critical is 60-70 lower. VS +7 s.amp focy blade with 20% osm blade +6

i dont have money for a 30% dmg osm blade +7. if some one can trade my eos +7 for a red osm blade 27% +7 ( i can put some alz if not enough). it would be nice.
merp ring rol +1, without skills 30% rate. with skills i have 40%. my dmg% is around 85% only

Hash
07-16-2010, 02:33 AM
Actually i just test my dmg on pf too.(the mob at the entrace). i use +7 and +6 focy s.amp blade. non-critical is around 90-105 more. and critical is 60-70 lower. VS +7 s.amp focy blade with 20% osm blade +6

i dont have money for a 30% dmg osm blade +7. if some one can trade my eos +7 for a red osm blade 27% +7 ( i can put some alz if not enough). it would be nice.
merp ring rol +1, without skills 30% rate. with skills i have 40%. my dmg% is around 85% only

i dont really want to go 2x forcy s amp as with 1 i will have 48 amp, and i would like a decent crit damage as well for pvp.


If you can't afford 30 dmg +7 osm, a +6 10 cdi forc is a decent replacement. S.amp forcs are OVERRATED...don't waste your money. A rate tit helm with rate in slot will be hard to find. You might have to settle with a 15/24 tit blade or a 7/3x tit blade. I've got a 7/31 I can sell you for like 175, 2nd slots empty. I'd honestly go with an 8 rate helm, 7/31 blade and forc cdi blade...puts you at 45 base rate which is a must for bossing. You lose a bit of base attack from the tit, but the 7 rate more than makes up for it.

I prefer to have a 10-15/24 helm as i can switch it for bm+aura, whereas i cant with weapons. also the only reason i am considering the tit weapon is because i already have a 36cd tit blade and if i extend it and slot it with attack, its 19 attack less and 10cd more than osm +7 30cd. if i couldnt afford the forcy s amp i would probably use 2x forcy 10cd as using a tita weapon will reduce the base by quite a bit, and i wont have the extra amp to use which would severely disadvantage me against higher def mobs =/. thanks for the advice though, it will be taken into consideration and is greatly appreciated =]

Hash
07-21-2010, 01:30 AM
is 2x forcy blade +6 7s amp fail on a blader for pvp ? it puts my stats at around: 55amp, high base attk, 80cd ... opinions on this ? ... essentially its 7amp and 58 attack v. 40cd (with tita+7 40cd 5 attk) or 7 amp 39 attk v 30cd (with osm +7 30cd)

chainlock
07-21-2010, 01:43 AM
http://forum.cabal.com/showthread.php?1073-Cabal-Damage-Calculator-by-LastHour&highlight=damage+calculator

http://forum.cabal.com/showthread.ph...age+calculator

Hash
07-21-2010, 04:38 AM
http://forum.cabal.com/showthread.ph...age+calculator

Chainlock i already have the damage calculator by LastHour, ive had it ever since i went on the EU forums. i was just wondering what other peoples opinions are, and i have found flaws in that damage calculator (for example it says mirage grind has a cast time of 2.4 when its really 3.8).

Matrimoney
07-21-2010, 07:53 AM
i dont really want to go 2x forcy s amp as with 1 i will have 48 amp, and i would like a decent crit damage as well for pvp.



I prefer to have a 10-15/24 helm as i can switch it for bm+aura, whereas i cant with weapons. also the only reason i am considering the tit weapon is because i already have a 36cd tit blade and if i extend it and slot it with attack, its 19 attack less and 10cd more than osm +7 30cd. if i couldnt afford the forcy s amp i would probably use 2x forcy 10cd as using a tita weapon will reduce the base by quite a bit, and i wont have the extra amp to use which would severely disadvantage me against higher def mobs =/. thanks for the advice though, it will be taken into consideration and is greatly appreciated =]

Sorry, but any helm but a 7/40 is a complete waste of using/extending. Your potential gets raped, especially in BM1 for things like CA and War. If you're going to buy a +6 forc s.amp why wouldnt you get a 30 dmg instead...? You're thinking too much about base....base damage isn't what kills things, its your crit dmg. If you're a low low level, sure dual forcs are good, but as you level and get more base attack, you'll be able to go osm or tit and forcy. High base attack/low cd/low rate<medium base attack/high cd/high rate...keep that in mind

chainlock
07-21-2010, 11:05 AM
Chainlock i already have the damage calculator by LastHour, ive had it ever since i went on the EU forums. i was just wondering what other peoples opinions are, and i have found flaws in that damage calculator (for example it says mirage grind has a cast time of 2.4 when its really 3.8).

It's accurate enough to make a decision.

The cast times it has are for in combo.

Hash
07-21-2010, 03:26 PM
Sorry, but any helm but a 7/40 is a complete waste of using/extending. Your potential gets raped, especially in BM1 for things like CA and War. If you're going to buy a +6 forc s.amp why wouldnt you get a 30 dmg instead...? You're thinking too much about base....base damage isn't what kills things, its your crit dmg. If you're a low low level, sure dual forcs are good, but as you level and get more base attack, you'll be able to go osm or tit and forcy. High base attack/low cd/low rate<medium base attack/high cd/high rate...keep that in mind

a) if I use a 12/24 helm, I can use 2x CR+2 w/ mergy ring + rol+ 1 ... that's 31cd from rings + 24 from helm (55cd) ... If I use 7/40 I would need another ring for rate ... Which is 3x RoL+1 ... that's 40cd + 15cd from rings (55cd/56 with mergy ring) ..: I'm just going for the less expensive option

b) I have a straight 40cd helm for bm1 or bm2+aura :)

c) if u can barely beat a persons def and hit 100 on non crits and have 100cd, u hit 200 on crits. If u hit 150 on non crits and have 80 cd u hit 270 on crits

d) is 42 rate without skills too low ? O-O

Hash
07-25-2010, 04:19 AM
I think I have finally chosen my weps .. 1x forcy +7 7s amp and 1x tit +7 40cd 5attack (10 cd and 5 attack more than osm+7 30 cd and forcy +6 7s amp. My budget isn't too high so I can't buy a forcy +7 if I get the osm 30cd

Hash
07-25-2010, 02:08 PM
Best place to test builds is a high rate private server, works like a charm.

LOL sounds good I'll join a psever for a day and test it out :)

ForumHavoc
07-25-2010, 03:03 PM
Such cool people.

Hash
07-25-2010, 05:51 PM
Such cool people.
Thanks =P ... btw other comments / suggestions are appreciated =)