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awakens
08-11-2010, 09:36 PM
I had an argument with a sFS that's trying to tell me 45% Rate is enough for a WA and then some Wiz trying to say a 15/24 Helm is garbage for a WA. Lmaoo. The wiz seem to be on his period and start flaming for no reason. Why so serious? Laahhh.

Okay.

Let's say a Warrior has these gears:

80% Osm GS
x1 Megaph Ring
x1 Rol+1 (Just because I highly doubt most WA's can get a rol+2)
x2 CR+2
AoP+6
K Black Board
Pet 2% Rated Enchanted

Would you go with A or B? Finding the balance between cost, cr, and cdi.

15/24 Helm = 49% Rate / 165% CDI
7/40 Helm = 41% Rate / 181% CDI

or with x2 rol+2

15/24 Helm = 54% Rate / 165% CDI
7/40 Helm = 46% Rate / 181% CDI

Now getting an 15/24 helm is much easier than a 7/40 helm. Keep that in mind too. This is in no way an end-game build but what would you go with?

I would say 15/24 takes the win. Seriously. And it's much cheaper to get rate in a helm than let's say.. an OSM GS 20% or 32% craft..

Continue the discussion as ya wish.

Lelouch
08-11-2010, 09:44 PM
all you need is 40% rate really..anymore is to cover for people who got -resist rate, if its "end game" then 7/40 is it. >.>

Darkgenesis
08-12-2010, 12:02 AM
40/7 is better, think about it if u could afford a 40/7 cant u afford a rol+2 that is prob 3x less than the price of the 40/7 (3bil + SEH=4b) (rol+2 =2b)

DaiFaye
08-12-2010, 12:47 AM
I think it's depends on what kind of situation, I think that WI is like a war or dungeon build WI. If you talking about war, honestly you dun really need rate because aura gives ur crit rate and LW gives u crit rate too. In war I will go to crit dmg all time, and this is my build.

15% from meg ring, 10% from orb, 7% from my helm, 5% base, 2% from board and 2% from pet= total is 41% rate
24% from 1orb and other 40% orb, 45% from cr2x3, 34% from helm, 20% base, 5% from aop+5, and 2% from pet= 170% dmg

But at pvp I will prefer go as high as rate as you can, I will rather change the cr+2 to rol+1 for more crit, even how high dmg u have if u dun crit that's still pointless, that's my own opinion.
About pve or dungeon, I guess around 44-46% is already good enuff, cos in some high lv dungeon, most of the time you got a FB or a WA theren to panic or HL it, so it's not really big deal. XD

If you ask me about overall, I will go for a better GS in ur cast, rate in slot GS is 14% rate and for get to mention that. 62/14 or 68/14 already cover the crit rate problem.
14%+15% (meg ring)+ 10% rol+1+ 5%base+ 2% K black+ 2%pet (from what u mention at post)= 48%rate
I think that's better then u take a 24/15 helm. also u will have decent crit dmg, why not that about that? =D

Rastan
08-12-2010, 12:50 AM
Crit damage is useless without the rate to successfully utilize it

Going 54% rate / 165% cd and you'll do more damage in a shorter period of time for pve and NW because you will crit more,but won't crit as hard for pvp's

Going 46% rate / 181% cd and you'll have stronger crits for pvp's,but you'll crit less

so it all depends on what you do the most in the game...if you just pvp all day long then go 48 rate,pve and NW all day,then go 54%

DaiFaye
08-12-2010, 02:33 AM
Crit damage is useless without the rate to successfully utilize it

Going 54% rate / 165% cd and you'll do more damage in a shorter period of time for pve and NW because you will crit more,but won't crit as hard for pvp's

Going 46% rate / 181% cd and you'll have stronger crits for pvp's,but you'll crit less

so it all depends on what you do the most in the game...if you just pvp all day long then go 48 rate,pve and NW all day,then go 54%

for war u are go as high as dmg u can get.... especially if u are 170 when u aura gives u 19%rate and u get 15% rate from aura, so crit rate is no big deal in war

dgassant
08-12-2010, 05:26 AM
imo that 46% rate 181% dmg is enough :)

Rastan
08-12-2010, 05:42 AM
for war u are go as high as dmg u can get.... especially if u are 170 when u aura gives u 19%rate and u get 15% rate from aura, so crit rate is no big deal in war

Crit damage is useless without the rate to successfully utilize it

Spur
08-12-2010, 06:44 AM
if u cannot get a rate in slot for weapon then go for the 15/24 otherwise get the 7/40

DaiFaye
08-12-2010, 06:46 AM
Crit damage is useless without the rate to successfully utilize it

I already mention that already... check my first post first and check what did I say, in war if u wanna score high u are suppose aura every single sec except it's on cd

Filthy
08-12-2010, 06:54 AM
with that GS.....15/24 with a 40dmg tit to swap out in aura

Spur
08-12-2010, 07:01 AM
u need 58 rate in war anyway and against bringers u need 78 so i never take off rate even when i aura

Rastan
08-12-2010, 07:27 AM
I already mention that already... check my first post first and check what did I say, in war if u wanna score high u are suppose aura every single sec except it's on cd

I did read it,you claimed that 44-46% rate is good enough,i say it's total garbage...58%+ ftw


u need 58 rate in war anyway and against bringers u need 78 so i never take off rate even when i aura

I don't think there's enough max rate gear in existence to go up to 78%,lol....but i'll give it a shot

Filthy
08-12-2010, 07:32 AM
i see what youre saying about SI, but for people who dont have max rate incr. in gloves/pet/ammy....50rate/196dmg(aura+dmg helm) works ok for WAs in many situations


78 rate? lol....would love to see that

Filthy
08-12-2010, 07:39 AM
I don't think there's enough max rate gear in existence to go up to 78%,lol....but i'll give it a shot


10% max rate from pet
12% from extended suit ( i think)
12% from extended gloves (i think)
4% aop+7 (i think)

Rastan
08-12-2010, 07:46 AM
10% max rate from pet
12% from extended suit ( i think)
12% from extended gloves (i think)
4% aop+7 (i think)

10% max rate from pet.....yeah,I just came
As for the suit and gloves max rate only extends to 3% according to the 18 month old force core upgrade chart,and if that's accurate then I think if you're lucky enough to random max rate into the 3rd slot you'd only get 1% extra like Crit damage for 7% total per piece of gear...7+7+10+4=28% max rate

and use an aop+3 it's cheaper since there are maybe 5 total aop7's on cabal na and they both give the same max rate bonus

DaiFaye
08-12-2010, 08:07 AM
I did read it,you claimed that 44-46% rate is good enough,i say it's total garbage...58%+ ftw

remember you are a FB and we are talking about WA, if a WA have 58%rate, there'll be only 2 conclusion.

1. His Gear must be epic as hell
2. His crit dmg will be uber low.

WA is like FB or FS got crit rate from buff bro.

Rastan
08-12-2010, 08:33 AM
remember you are a FB and we are talking about WA, if a WA have 58%rate, there'll be only 2 conclusion.

1. His Gear must be epic as hell
2. His crit dmg will be uber low.

WA is like FB or FS got crit rate from buff bro.

The only way I could think of max rate applying to a WA. is having some kind of variation of 30% rate from helm and gs or daikatana with the 30% rate from rings,same thing for wizzys and fa too.....blader would be the hardest

DaiFaye
08-12-2010, 08:42 AM
The only way I could think of max rate applying to a WA. is having some kind of variation of 30% rate from helm and gs or daikatana with the 30% rate from rings,same thing for wizzys and fa too.....blader would be the hardest

Btw BL is not hard to hit max crit rate with decent dmg, WA still the hardest one since they are using 2-hands weapon.
I did think about how to make full rate WA with decent dmg, but slot extender is required
Here is the list:

62+/14 GS
31+/7 helm
15% meg ring
10% rol+1
5% base

then there is 51%, but the thing is titan GS/helm will lack of base att and def, OSM GS/helm u need to worry about SEH.... XDDD

Rastan
08-12-2010, 09:08 AM
Btw BL is not hard to hit max crit rate with decent dmg, WA still the hardest one since they are using 2-hands weapon.
I did think about how to make full rate WA with decent dmg, but slot extender is required
Here is the list:

62+/14 GS
31+/7 helm
15% meg ring
10% rol+1
5% base

then there is 51%, but the thing is titan GS/helm will lack of base att and def, OSM GS/helm u need to worry about SEH.... XDDD

yeah but that's only 51%,you'd still need to get over 58% to counter SI and guardians rate resist..(at least until september =P)..and before you say that at 58% rate he'd have low cd I already know,lol.....but at 58%+ he'd still crit more often and end up doing more damage on his target,but in the end it all depends on how the WA. likes to build themselves,a majority that i've seen are 45%+ rate with all kinds of s.amp then they get pissed when they don't crit.

I still think a blader would be the hardest with the rarity of respectable 8 rate weapons

restinpeace
08-12-2010, 09:43 AM
just stack crit dmg and if you lose a duel, just say 'i lost because i didnt crit'.

awakens
08-12-2010, 09:49 AM
Btw BL is not hard to hit max crit rate with decent dmg, WA still the hardest one since they are using 2-hands weapon.
I did think about how to make full rate WA with decent dmg, but slot extender is required
Here is the list:

62+/14 GS
31+/7 helm
15% meg ring
10% rol+1
5% base

then there is 51%, but the thing is titan GS/helm will lack of base att and def, OSM GS/helm u need to worry about SEH.... XDDD

I would think its easier because we have a 2h sword. Only have to get a good dmg craft and rate in slot once instead trying to get two.

But yeah... without rol+2 and only 41% rate, all that dmg ain't gonna cut it.... 46 is still not enough for pvp. Like spur said... you need a rate in slot gs to use a 7/40. Or else you're gonna get raped if the party you're fighting has SI.

dgassant
08-12-2010, 09:59 AM
^.^ ur funneh

UsernameTaken
08-12-2010, 10:09 AM
for pvp if u have even 35 rate panic cry 20 gets u to 51% c.rate.. anyway if u are a pvper go crit dmg cause tbh all you need is 1 or 2 skills to crit then finisher to crit :P. don't start flaming on me cause i mentioned a debuff btw ;)

Filthy
08-12-2010, 10:10 AM
10% max rate from pet.....yeah,I just came
As for the suit and gloves max rate only extends to 3% according to the 18 month old force core upgrade chart,and if that's accurate then I think if you're lucky enough to random max rate into the 3rd slot you'd only get 1% extra like Crit damage for 7% total per piece of gear...7+7+10+4=28% max rate

and use an aop+3 it's cheaper since there are maybe 5 total aop7's on cabal na and they both give the same max rate bonus

yeh i couldnt remeber what max rate extended out to be, but thats still a 78% max rate as my calc was 88% w/ a already 50% rate ( a dream set for sure, and a complete waste)

and afaik on aop's u get an increase of 1% max rate per + , maybe im wrong

Spur
08-12-2010, 10:26 AM
how did max crit rate get into this discussion? lets say u got 50 rate after u aura ull have 69 after bringer and SI resist ull have 41... u never need to reach ure max cr

Filthy
08-12-2010, 10:31 AM
it got into the discussion because rate is involved in more aspects then just nation war...i dont need to say that WA is a staple in difficult dungeons

Spur
08-12-2010, 10:46 AM
if ure talk about dungeons simply take off an Rol+2 when u aura isnt that simple enough? 50% rate is always important

this is how i see rate when u have 50rate and 100cd - 1 rate is about 2 cd but..
if u have 50rate 150cd i find 1 rate is about 3 cd
the higher ure cd the more important it is to have a higher rate so back to the original examples

15/24 Helm = 49% Rate / 165% CDI
7/40 Helm = 41% Rate / 181% CDI
8rate vs 16cd = 8 rate wins cause ure already passed 150cd, 1 rate = 3cd

15/24 Helm = 54% Rate / 165% CDI
7/40 Helm = 46% Rate / 181% CDI
8rate vs 16cd = 8 rate wins again cause ure already passed 150cd, 1 rate = 3cd

Rage
08-12-2010, 12:16 PM
this is how i see rate when u have 50rate and 100cd - 1 rate is about 2 cd but..
if u have 50rate 150cd i find 1 rate is about 3 cd



that is based off nothing. what you feel and what are the facts aren't the same you moron.

Spur
08-12-2010, 12:21 PM
that is based off nothing. what you feel and what are the facts aren't the same you moron.

off nuthin? lol please think b4 u talk cause once i show u ull feel stupid.

otice1
08-12-2010, 12:26 PM
off nuthin? lol please think b4 u talk cause once i show u ull feel stupid.

The effect of your crit damage is based off how much dmg your NON crits do. Does your hypothetical formula apply when you have 150cdi and 50cr but using titanium weapons because you can get much better overall dmg with the same rate using other weapon builds?
/nuffsaid

Sheep
08-12-2010, 12:28 PM
all you need is 40% rate really..anymore is to cover for people who got -resist rate, if its "end game" then 7/40 is it. >.>

+1

Spur
08-12-2010, 12:30 PM
The effect of your crit damage is based off how much dmg your NON crits do. Does your hypothetical formula apply when you have 150cdi and 50cr but using titanium weapons because you can get much better overall dmg with the same rate using other weapon builds?
/nuffsaid

if im using titanium weapons and got more matk than matri who is using forcy+lapis do u see sumthing wrong? or just lack common sense

Filthy
08-12-2010, 12:31 PM
if ure talk about dungeons simply take off an Rol+2 when u aura isnt that simple enough? 50% rate is always important

this is how i see rate when u have 50rate and 100cd - 1 rate is about 2 cd but..
if u have 50rate 150cd i find 1 rate is about 3 cd
the higher ure cd the more important it is to have a higher rate so back to the original examples

15/24 Helm = 49% Rate / 165% CDI
7/40 Helm = 41% Rate / 181% CDI
8rate vs 16cd = 8 rate wins cause ure already passed 150cd, 1 rate = 3cd

15/24 Helm = 54% Rate / 165% CDI
7/40 Helm = 46% Rate / 181% CDI
8rate vs 16cd = 8 rate wins again cause ure already passed 150cd, 1 rate = 3cd

50+ rate important?.....agreed.

i dont know where u got the 3cd=1rate over 50/150...maybe from a dps sheet, but ill just agree.

Moral of the story, both are good builds, but which is least expensive? The rol+2 and the 7/40 helm are the expensive pieces, and I would have to guess the rol2 is cheaper then the helm+SeH.

otice1
08-12-2010, 12:32 PM
if im using titanium weapons and got more matk than matri who is using forcy+lapis do u see sumthing wrong? or just lack common sense

lol thats funny and not possible. Good one

Spur
08-12-2010, 12:33 PM
lol thats funny and not possible. Good one

so u do got some common sense then y still talk about titanium/pheries

sure the 1:2 and 1:3 ratio is hypothetical but when ure pvping with 40 or less rate and ure missing 1 crit to win u dont wanna rely on 40- % to win

otice1
08-12-2010, 12:36 PM
so u do got some common sense then y still talk about titanium/pheries

I don't see why not. People who claim to be top of their class on merc use phery/titanium. Finally admitting they I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥?

Rage
08-12-2010, 12:40 PM
I don't see why not. People who claim to be top of their class on merc use phery/titanium. Finally admitting they I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥?

agreed.

Spur
08-12-2010, 12:52 PM
I don't see why not. People who claim to be top of their class on merc use phery/titanium. Finally admitting they I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥?

they may be top but not #1 of their class

NiteFalcon
08-12-2010, 12:53 PM
I don't see why not. People who claim to be top of their class on merc use phery/titanium. Finally admitting they I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥?

theres a difference between claiming you are top of your class and ACTUALLY being one of the top players of their class. None of the top players use tit/phery weapons on merc

otice1
08-12-2010, 12:57 PM
Might want to tell that to people like Cheats who brag about it to venus players then
kthnx

Spur
08-12-2010, 01:00 PM
Might want to tell that to people like Cheats who brag about it to venus players then
kthnx

cheats may be considered a top 10 wi but it dun mean hes top of his class. he has less HP than matri how can u consider him to even compare to me..

awakens
08-12-2010, 01:05 PM
there's a balance in critical rate and critical dmg. To give up 8% rate for 16% critical DMG and make your overall rate in the low 40's ain't gonna cut it. You will find yourself using "oh I lost cause I didn't crit" excuse.

Now if you can keep your rate in the high 40s then why not? But chances are you won't be able to without a rate GS in slot.

But idk why you guys arguing about something else. I put up the gears and just ask what helm you would go with

NiteFalcon
08-12-2010, 01:05 PM
cheats is terrible lol

Filthy
08-12-2010, 01:54 PM
there's a balance in critical rate and critical dmg. To give up 8% rate for 16% critical DMG and make your overall rate in the low 40's ain't gonna cut it. You will find yourself using "oh I lost cause I didn't crit" excuse.

Now if you can keep your rate in the high 40s then why not? But chances are you won't be able to without a rate GS in slot.

But idk why you guys arguing about something else. I put up the gears and just ask what helm you would go with


whos arguing...? just discussing mechanics, everyone might learn something...


for me 15/24 ftw, cant stand low rate

Rage
08-12-2010, 02:27 PM
cheats may be considered a top 10 wi but it dun mean hes top of his class. he has less HP than matri how can u consider him to even compare to me..

you act like the extra hp from your honor rank is coming from your gear that no one else can obtain.

Spur
08-12-2010, 02:40 PM
you act like the extra hp from your honor rank is coming from your gear that no one else can obtain.

its a decision i made and time has proved my decision gave a better result over everyone elses. i chose to go for honor for many reasons and up till this day i have no regrets. even when seeing people make billions off of derk which i coulda been doing i still think NW is more important

dgassant
08-12-2010, 02:59 PM
I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥

WIpwns
08-12-2010, 04:41 PM
http://www.virusgaming.net/cabal/id.php?id_char=290
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Rage
08-12-2010, 05:00 PM
its a decision i made and time has proved my decision gave a better result over everyone elses. i chose to go for honor for many reasons and up till this day i have no regrets. even when seeing people make billions off of derk which i coulda been doing i still think NW is more important

so if you were focused on nw how did you make money?

Rastan
08-12-2010, 06:27 PM
there's a balance in critical rate and critical dmg. To give up 8% rate for 16% critical DMG and make your overall rate in the low 40's ain't gonna cut it. You will find yourself using "oh I lost cause I didn't crit" excuse.

Now if you can keep your rate in the high 40s then why not? But chances are you won't be able to without a rate GS in slot.

But idk why you guys arguing about something else. I put up the gears and just ask what helm you would go with

Don't get me wrong...There are still times when I dont crit 3-4 sometimes 5 hits in a row at 57% rate,but a majority of the time it's 4-5-6 crits in a row,so even at 57% your still gonna have those rare non-crit chains to deal with until we get the potential to go 100% rate,so I recommend you get as much rate as possible,especially as a WA. since you lack rate buffs or rate skills.

Matrimoney
08-12-2010, 07:12 PM
its a decision i made and time has proved my decision gave a better result over everyone elses. i chose to go for honor for many reasons and up till this day i have no regrets. even when seeing people make billions off of derk which i coulda been doing i still think NW is more important

you only say that because you got 20b in glitched alz you I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥in tardmuffin. without the alz glitch you'd be a high honor ranked mediocre wiz, prove me wrong kid

DaiFaye
08-13-2010, 04:30 AM
cheats is terrible lol

lol burning...

DaiFaye
08-13-2010, 04:43 AM
Don't get me wrong...There are still times when I dont crit 3-4 sometimes 5 hits in a row at 57% rate,but a majority of the time it's 4-5-6 crits in a row,so even at 57% your still gonna have those rare non-crit chains to deal with until we get the potential to go 100% rate,so I recommend you get as much rate as possible,especially as a WA. since you lack rate buffs or rate skills.

what about 15/24 helm + 30/48 GS+ meg ring, here u go 65% rate with base.... lol with 3 cr+2 I think u only hit like around 140%dmg, dun think it's enuff dmg bro

Spur
08-13-2010, 05:04 AM
you only say that because you got 20b in glitched alz you I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥in tardmuffin. without the alz glitch you'd be a high honor ranked mediocre wiz, prove me wrong kid

without the alz glitch ill still be the richest wiz in game. its people who glitch and hack that made me go honor in the first place. u can cheat for lvl , alz but u cant cheat to obtain my honor

Rastan
08-13-2010, 06:02 AM
what about 15/24 helm + 30/48 GS+ meg ring, here u go 65% rate with base.... lol with 3 cr+2 I think u only hit like around 140%dmg, dun think it's enuff dmg bro

looks smexy on paper....i wonder how hard it is to get a 30/48 gs?

Rage
08-13-2010, 08:39 AM
without the alz glitch ill still be the richest wiz in game. its people who glitch and hack that made me go honor in the first place. u can cheat for lvl , alz but u cant cheat to obtain my honor

i disagree your cheating yourself out of a life.

Matrimoney
08-13-2010, 08:52 AM
without the alz glitch ill still be the richest wiz in game. its people who glitch and hack that made me go honor in the first place. u can cheat for lvl , alz but u cant cheat to obtain my honor

lol!!1 without the glitched alz nobody would give 2 shts about ur pos wiz, nuff' said.

DaiFaye
08-13-2010, 09:01 AM
looks smexy on paper....i wonder how hard it is to get a 30/48 gs?

It's like a 24/15 1 handweapon, Jeazyyy's titan katana xD

but still no enuff dmg.... compare 65/140 vs 54/175 I will go for the 2nd one, since after 50% rate is not too much diff

Rastan
08-13-2010, 10:18 AM
after 50% rate is not too much diff

can you truly say that from personal experience?...or by what people have force fed you?

Spur
08-13-2010, 10:32 AM
lol!!1 without the glitched alz nobody would give 2 shts about ur pos wiz, nuff' said.

lol thats y uve been arguing with me since b4 the alz glitch even occured. obviously i was #1 wi b4 and after. just like u matri an eos+8 doesnt bring u to the top

DaiFaye
08-14-2010, 06:32 AM
can you truly say that from personal experience?...or by what people have force fed you?

That's truly my experience, funny thing is even i have 53%rate I dont that much, but if I lower down to 49% I crit all time, either pvp, pve or war

Rastan
08-14-2010, 06:42 AM
That's truly my experience, funny thing is even i have 53%rate I dont that much, but if I lower down to 49% I crit all time, either pvp, pve or war

Then there might be more factors being a wizzy that's affecting your crits,It could just vary from class to class based off of gear and what level mob or person your pvping,cuz for me at 53% rate I hardly ever crit,but at 57%-61% I end up critting alot

DaiFaye
08-14-2010, 06:50 AM
Then there might be more factors being a wizzy that's affecting your crits,It could just vary from class to class based off of gear and what level mob or person your pvping,cuz for me at 53% rate I hardly ever crit,but at 57%-61% I end up critting alot

Funny thing is my FB stay at 45% crit rate still crit like hell... u did try it b4 too. Since you are using might be more factors means u are not absoulty sure more rate = more crit.

Rastan
08-14-2010, 07:10 AM
Funny thing is my FB stay at 45% crit rate still crit like hell... u did try it b4 too. Since you are using might be more factors means u are not absoulty sure more rate = more crit.

I know for a fact that more rate = more crits for my FS,as for my FB I tried it too and crit just as often if not more,but your using 53% as the basis so yeah you're not gonna notice a difference,you have to go 58% rate or higher to actually notice a signifficant difference in the amount of crits you do,but even at 58% you won't crit 100% because it's 58% out of 100%

And when I say there are more factors that affect you not critting,I mean the stats of your target (Def,Def Rate,Crit resist..etc.,etc.)

DaiFaye
08-14-2010, 08:04 AM
I know for a fact that more rate = more crits for my FS,as for my FB I tried it too and crit just as often if not more,but your using 53% as the basis so yeah you're not gonna notice a difference,you have to go 58% rate or higher to actually notice a signifficant difference in the amount of crits you do,but even at 58% you won't crit 100% because it's 58% out of 100%

And when I say there are more factors that affect you not critting,I mean the stats of your target (Def,Def Rate,Crit resist..etc.,etc.)

ok now back the topic, so u are comparing FS/FB and a WA and u did mention b4 WA/WI dun have rate buff. so u need to realize that for a WA and WI u also need to balance out the dmg and crit rate. For FS, u got 24%rate and 45%dmg, FB as (140+) u get like 25%rate and 35%dmg. For FS/FB it's not hard to get a decent rate and dmg since they buff gives our decent rate and crit dmg, as a topic we are discussing about WA, WA also not like BL have crit rate/dmg with certain skill, so u need to balance both(rate and dmg), not only crit rate nor dmg. That's what I try to mention in here. Like what I said b4, if you wanna hit a high rate and dmg for a WA u need pretty epic to hit around 58%+ rate and 150%dmg. Also everyone know WA gear is more expensive then other class. Of course I admitted that the higher rate u had means u got more chance to crit, but that's not happens all time, also most of the ppl in pve they dun use aop that much, most of them are using vamp emmy, so it's kinda hard to max your rate in pve except u got max crit rate in ur pet or gloves. So I think 50% crit rate is pretty enuff.

Rastan
08-14-2010, 08:19 AM
ok now back the topic, so u are comparing FS/FB and a WA and u did mention b4 WA/WI dun have rate buff. so u need to realize that for a WA and WI u also need to balance out the dmg and crit rate. For FS, u got 24%rate and 45%dmg, FB as (140+) u get like 25%rate and 35%dmg. For FS/FB it's not hard to get a decent rate and dmg since they buff gives our decent rate and crit dmg, as a topic we are discussing about WA, WA also not like BL have crit rate/dmg with certain skill, so u need to balance both(rate and dmg), not only crit rate nor dmg. That's what I try to mention in here. Like what I said b4, if you wanna hit a high rate and dmg for a WA u need pretty epic to hit around 58%+ rate and 150%dmg. Also everyone know WA gear is more expensive then other class. Of course I admitted that the higher rate u had means u got more chance to crit, but that's not happens all time, also most of the ppl in pve they dun use aop that much, most of them are using vamp emmy, so it's kinda hard to max your rate in pve except u got max crit rate in ur pet or gloves. So I think 50% crit rate is pretty enuff.

I'm not arguing with you,I already said a few posts back that in the end it all boils down to what your comfortable with

It's just that for me,ever since I've been 58%+ rate I haven't been able to play comfortably with anything less than that because I feel so much weaker from shorter crit chains

Solitaryman
08-19-2010, 12:24 AM
this discusion needs to be closed

dgassant
08-19-2010, 08:33 AM
warrior gear cheap u got only to pay for 1 big stick

lolwut
08-28-2010, 10:30 PM
me and rf guy view this page! :) me and him getting married soon!!, we going to bang each other in ass! very nice i know

LS > CABAL
08-28-2010, 10:32 PM
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FenrisulfRAWRAWRAWR
09-10-2010, 12:59 PM
personally, i would go with a 7/##. As they said above, 40 rate is generally enough, so i would honestly take as much crit damage as possible. Especially in situations where Legacy Weapons are involved, 40 rate becomes 48 rate (if youre wearing that 80dmg GS) and any rate discrepancies between the helms are practically nullified. My advice, get at least 40 rate and find a build that pumps as much crit damage as you can possibly get.

Jackk
12-01-2010, 04:25 AM
If you have a good amount of amp/40+ rate, crits roll pretty well.

I roll off of 37 rate/172 cd with 46 amp and it gets the job done pretty well.