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SilvusX
09-02-2010, 04:07 AM
*I'm a lvl 153 FA btw, with medicore equiptments.*

after the update, I immediately notice I gained about 30 Defense, (from 613 to 644). (the +6 armor's def stayed the same, the +7 osm martial became +9 with 3 more defense). I extract about 10 dex and int each, and it seems like dex adds 1 m atk every 4 points? or perhaps 3.333 and int adds 1 m atk every 3 points (I forgot to check the defense value).

now it'd be nice if a Battle Fa can post how much M Atk they gained from this update (-the m atk from the higher + orbs ofc)

so it seems int gives more defense now, and dex gaves more m atk, the question is, is Martial Fa still viable after this update?

MamaMiaYoe
09-02-2010, 04:19 AM
Do u have the new skill too?

SilvusX
09-02-2010, 06:29 AM
Do u have the new skill too?

yeah I got all 3 skills by getting one level from the event, kind of odd o.O. but the remove unmovable for party is a must have for war =D! the party buff increase 20 atk / m atk to party

and the sonic shooter just seems terrible to me, I've tested it in Pf against my friend and Shooting star does about twice as much.

Although it was a level 20 shooting star vs lv 9 sonic shooter, didn't feel like raising it to lv 20 and deskill. It' makes a nice PVE skill though :D.

MamaMiaYoe
09-02-2010, 06:45 AM
I see. Ill try to max the new skill when I get in once Im done downloading the client. >.< Ty.

MamaMiaYoe
09-02-2010, 02:12 PM
Phan, has there been a noticable change for battle FA's?

Roopo
09-08-2010, 08:46 PM
Anyone know what the new ratio is per int and dex stat now? after a lil bit of testing it seems that both int and dex are around .25 m attack but still not quite sure. If that is the case, then defense should be tested as well and if defense is higher for dex (which I believe it is, but haven't tested), then mFA build is useless (unless you want defense rate or to use WI gear you already have.)

Hazzardous
09-08-2010, 08:49 PM
On my GF's FA, (Martial, all +9) She's pushing 1024 M.atk (was around 1010 or so pre update? I forgot; I just know it seemed lower, since @ 149 she had 998) and had 616 defense, but now it's 664 or so; give or take a little def.

That being said, FT is a joke to solo.

Her FA is 152 as of right now; btw.

Shinn
09-08-2010, 09:03 PM
Oh ya guys martial fa gonna get even more magic attack : D

Roopo
09-08-2010, 09:11 PM
Ill probably just get like 50 int extracts and do some more testing for magic attack and defense ratios when it comes to dex and int.

SilvusX
09-09-2010, 02:19 AM
Anyone know what the new ratio is per int and dex stat now? after a lil bit of testing it seems that both int and dex are around .25 m attack but still not quite sure. If that is the case, then defense should be tested as well and if defense is higher for dex (which I believe it is, but haven't tested), then mFA build is useless (unless you want defense rate or to use WI gear you already have.)

there is no reason for them to make dex same as Int or there isn't any point for fa to put stats in int period. After the update I also notice slight m atk increase. I have 985 intelligence as of now. Pre update I was lv 153 with 928 m atk (unbuffed, +6 orb = 166) m atk. right now I am lv 154 with 963 m atk (unbuffed,+8 forc orb is 171 m atk). if I remove the bonus from both orb it'd be 10 m atk. It still does not explain where the 33-35 m atk is from.

I played with 10 extract of int and dex, the 10 point in int had 1 more m atk than 10 dex. it was something like 963 vs 962, so yeah I'm pretty sure int gives more m atk still.

In conclusion, I believe its a buff for FA in general (both mFa and battle fa). mFa gets even more m atk and defense while battle fa gets more m atk.

MamaMiaYoe
09-09-2010, 03:55 AM
which is good. I finally topped 1.1 k m. attack (w/ new party buff) and +11 orbs. I kinda like it, Rota is even more possible to solo.

Roopo
09-09-2010, 08:56 AM
In conclusion, I believe its a buff for FA in general (both mFa and battle fa). mFa gets even more m atk and defense while battle fa gets more m atk.

Wheres there extra defense comin from?

Shinn
09-09-2010, 12:00 PM
Battle FA are getting Both magic and defense and Martial FA are getting more magic been trolling korea forums and Battle Fa's been raging lol

Roopo
09-09-2010, 01:04 PM
Battle FA are getting Both magic and defense and Martial FA are getting more magic been trolling korea forums and Battle Fa's been raging lol

more than battle? cause if that's the case i can see raging happening but if not, then i don't see why battle FA's would be ragin.

SilvusX
09-09-2010, 01:23 PM
Wheres there extra defense comin from?

I'm not sure if you are mFa, but if you are, you SHOULD notice a big defense boost from INT from the update.

I had 614 defense with boot and suit +7 (91 def), helm and glove are +6 (79 def). After the update, I have 645 defense, which +7 osm suit / boot became +9 (with 94 defense) while +6 glove helm remained the same.

In this case, I have 6 bonus defense BECAUSE of the 2x +9 items, at the same time, where did the other 25 defense from? I remember reading a discussion on EU and one of the thing being translated from KR was that int gives more defense per point (not much more than before, of course). before it might've been something like every 10 int = 1 def, but it certainly dropped!

by having 985 int has given me about 25 more defense than before, so I think that's pretty big different, might even be on par with dex for amount of defense it's given.

SilvusX
09-09-2010, 01:27 PM
which is good. I finally topped 1.1 k m. attack (w/ new party buff) and +11 orbs. I kinda like it, Rota is even more possible to solo.

Congratulation! you should make a video when you can solo it =D

Roopo
09-09-2010, 02:19 PM
alright lol, ya i am mFA but i really didn't notice increase in defense, i guess i don't pay attention that well lol. ima attempt to do some testing to see how much defense and m attack is gained by int and dex now.

chainlock
09-09-2010, 03:13 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h210/tjxs/FAstats-1.jpg

I leveled 2 FAs to 21 and added 100 points into each dex and int to see the difference.

100 points in int gave.
10 atk
30 m.atk
10 defense
40 atk rate
15 def rate

So stats per point on int are.
atk .1
m.atk .3
defense .1 (.075 before update)
atk rate .4
def rate .15

100 points into dex gave.
12 atk
25 m.atk 13 defense
175 atk rate
100 defense rate

Stats per point on dex are.
atk .12
m.atk .25 (.18 before update)
defense .13 (.125 before update)
atk rate 1.75
def rate 1

Stats per point in str are.
atk .2
m.atk 0
defense .13
atk rate .78
def rate .28

Roopo
09-09-2010, 05:08 PM
looks like i wont be doin tests since you got it on lock haha, hope you get 100 points soon =D

SilvusX
09-09-2010, 06:20 PM
thanks lock for the stats!

Well its basically 5 m atk trade with 3 defense (need someone check on the new defense difference on battlesuit +9 vs martial +9). I think it's still a good trade for mFa in osm pvp wise; nice to see fa get buffed in general ^^.

Roopo
09-14-2010, 09:04 AM
Didnt even notice chainlock did 100 points now till now haha

MamaMiaYoe
09-14-2010, 09:56 AM
Congratulation! you should make a video when you can solo it =D
Im dying to make a video. Prolly my last video with all the pk (plan to focus more on this) , dungeon solo, and boss hunt clips. and yeah I will if I find that free unlimited fraps link (O.O) and redownload it. but ever since i left seireitei, my account in their forums where the link is, was removed so Im working on that.

TheKingofTrolls
09-14-2010, 10:46 AM
Im dying to make a video. Prolly my last video with all the pk (plan to focus more on this) , dungeon solo, and boss hunt clips. and yeah I will if I find that free unlimited fraps link (O.O) and redownload it. but ever since i left seireitei, my account in their forums where the link is, was removed so Im working on that.

ill give you the link tonight for the full version kimmie

MamaMiaYoe
09-14-2010, 12:19 PM
OMG! :D please please please!!! Thankyou very much! T.T

ForumFiery
09-23-2010, 07:00 AM
battle is still the endgame, I have achieved mFA magic with forcium battle gears.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4931/cabalver139100922195700.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6327/cabalver139100922195800.jpg

Matrimoney
09-23-2010, 07:02 AM
battle is still the endgame, I have achieved mFA magic with forcium battle gears and a massive amount of USD.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4931/cabalver139100922195700.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6327/cabalver139100922195800.jpg
Fixed

ForumFiery
09-23-2010, 07:14 AM
fixed

lol

Matrimoney
09-23-2010, 07:23 AM
lol

prolly dont even know what i did....god u fail

ForumFiery
09-23-2010, 08:17 AM
prolly dont even know what i did....god u fail

I know what you did but u talk without proof, so yea, I lol

deamonreaper
10-07-2010, 12:02 AM
Lol matri made a funny for once

Bebe
10-07-2010, 12:22 AM
Phan, has there been a noticable change for battle FA's?

O_O where have u been? Phan QUIT!

Bebe
10-07-2010, 12:23 AM
Battle FA are getting Both magic and defense and Martial FA are getting more magic been trolling korea forums and Battle Fa's been raging lol

O_O I didn't know u can read korean... teach me? =)

Bebe
10-07-2010, 12:26 AM
Phan, has there been a noticable change for battle FA's?

=O my bad... this is a old post. hehe

Enso
10-07-2010, 10:09 AM
battle is still the endgame, I have achieved mFA magic with forcium battle gears.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4931/cabalver139100922195700.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6327/cabalver139100922195800.jpg

You have pretty lame HP... just sayin'.

Bebe
10-07-2010, 10:45 AM
You have pretty lame HP... just sayin'.

ENSO!!! Where have u been!?@?! Why u no come on?!@?!?@ !!!!!!!!!

Enso
10-07-2010, 10:47 AM
ENSO!!! Where have u been!?@?! Why u no come on?!@?!?@ !!!!!!!!!

I dont have time anymore. x.x School is making me busy as hell.

Roopo
10-07-2010, 01:34 PM
Enso you need to take that screeny down, its ugly and fireyfgt posted it everywhere on the other thread.

Roopo
10-07-2010, 01:34 PM
and the last page -,-

Enso
10-07-2010, 05:21 PM
o.O I haven't posted any screen shots.

realowner
10-10-2010, 01:30 AM
battle > martial end of discussion

Roopo
10-13-2010, 11:20 PM
o.O I haven't posted any screen shots.

you quoted screenies, muh bad =P

Enso
10-14-2010, 06:32 AM
you quoted screenies, muh bad =P

Ohh, I see. xD

NathanUc2
10-14-2010, 01:16 PM
back when I played

martial = pve
retarded hard to get forcium = pvp

I was a 150(ish?) mfa and was able to be bringer the one week I tried and solo penna/derk/tank.

I was also poor as hell. I had low resources being a guild leader of a medium sized guild. If you are in a similar situation, you can't go wrong with MFA as long as you know what you are doing.

Battle FA takes much less skill but has much MUCH less potential :)


my2cents

(note: opinions expressed in this post are the opinions of an old school cabawler that knows nothing about the updates that have occurred in the last year)

Roopo
10-14-2010, 01:41 PM
Battle FA takes much less skill but has much MUCH less potential :)


agreed. Why even attempt to have defense on such a wimpy class? Master fade/dash(thats where the skills come in) and sting like a bee with mfa.

Registering
10-14-2010, 09:50 PM
I like the concept of mFA but is it really worth losing all of that defense for PvE when compared to battle forcium? I had a chance to try out the event epaulet which adds 200 defense and 600 HP for a while.

With it on I was sitting on about 2900 HP and 830 defense. Even with that much defense and around 880 m.atk (I'm still kind of a newbie) and very little amp SoD was pretty challenging. It wasn't so much that it was crazy hard but there were definitely a few spots where my life was very low, and a number of fights where I know if I didn't have that extra HP and defense I would have had to stop attacking to heal myself and potentially wait before starting a boss unless the enhanced heal buff was ready.

One could say the bonuses you gain from magic are countered by having to stop DPSing to heal and always spam potions / possibly die. SoD in the grand scheme of things is also a joke in terms of gear checks. How are you guys with mFA soloing the harder dungeons (I haven't tried them personally)?

Are you doing this with just 2x Vamp Earrings, 1x Vamp Neck, 1x 5% HP ring, and an EoS + 2x BoS?

FU2
10-14-2010, 09:56 PM
Yes, it's all because of vamp. You can vamp really efficiently spamming fast casting skills such as crit shot or shadow shot. Throw in a gravity when the mobs can be stunned. mFA soloes FT1 pretty easy later on.

Registering
10-14-2010, 10:02 PM
Is that all of the Vamp gear required though? That is what I use now (all +2 version, class 6 honor) and I'm not an mFA (lack of funds :D) but my defense is pretty similar to one. If I just 1v1 a boss in SoD using all fast casting skills I take WAY more damage than I leech back. I might hit a boss for a 2000 crit and leech 60 or 70 back but the boss is hitting me for 500-700 damage non-stop.

Also is it possible to solo dungeons after FT1 for any class/gear combo?

FU2
10-14-2010, 10:18 PM
It should be fine with a vamp +4 ammy and +4 vamp earrings. Really also depends on your level i guess, SoD is easy once you are 140.
Soloing anything after FT1 is hard for any class unless you are really geared, since those are normally the strictly party dungeons.

NathanUc2
10-14-2010, 11:45 PM
my personal opinion of FA and def is that to to anything up to ft2, all you need is at least 600 if you vamp correctly.

My tank solo was at around 630 def (no flee pots, just amp+magic).

All i worked about was my magic attack, amp, and vamp (including hp). I was literally under 550 def for a long time and could easily roll with the big boys

don't let anyone convince you that FA need def. Try it out yourself and see what you think.

realowner
10-15-2010, 12:43 AM
end game battle is better end of thread

how many times do u g2 re make or ask the same question i dont see any FA walking around in martial forcium(cause they cant wear it obviously)? case closed

if u didnt understand what i said then let me simplify it

forc amp > martial osm amp

NathanUc2
10-15-2010, 01:26 AM
end game battle is better end of thread

how many times do u g2 re make or ask the same question i dont see any FA walking around in martial forcium(cause they cant wear it obviously)? case closed

if u didnt understand what i said then let me simplify it

forc amp > martial osm amp

false... way too much magic loss.

if i didn't need def, no one needs def lol

LILCHAOLAO
10-15-2010, 03:47 AM
FS need def :D

NathanUc2
10-16-2010, 03:12 AM
FS need def :D

i had a mfs who was stuck using my FA martial gear :( Was only good at war/pvp and support lol

Roopo
10-26-2010, 09:00 AM
My 140 mFA can solo nesbite in ft1 which i find pretty good. I have 10% hp steal with 144 max hp back limit in pve mode and just shy of 600 defense. SoD is a joke, i can non-combo any boss and kill them without having to "heal" but of course i do have to pot. Iv'e also managed to get to the durahans in b2f SOLO to finish my 140 rankup. mFA have great potential in pve with proper vamp gears. 144 hp back (every 1.3 non-combo and .8 secs with combo) + 15 hp regen with vital bless + pots is good enough for me. Hell thinkin about the math, 144 hp back every .8 secs is 180 hp a sec, and 180*7 secs (7 secs the cooldown on pots?) is 1260 hp back in the time it takes to use another pot again. So if you add 700+1260= 1920 hp back every 7 secs. (again math may be wrong because im not sure about the cooldown time on hp pots.) Thats not even mentioning the lil extra 15 hp per 2 secs with vital bless, or an extra 6 hp with regeneration if your 150+

Registering
10-26-2010, 09:06 AM
Yep, my FA had poor armors and SoD is not bad with nice vamp and leech. Had around 630 def, 21 amp, 43 cr, 50 cd and 900 m.atk self buffed. SoD with 2 bars and no comboing is fine. Once in a blue moon you might have to heal when all of those mages come with the close/left inner boss. Other than that, it's fairly easy. That was with only a +4 vamp neck and 2x +2 earrings for the source of vamp.

ForumFiery
10-26-2010, 10:14 AM
You have pretty lame HP... just sayin'.

3664 not high enough for you? your fa is lame, just saying, I can probably 1 hit you without using SS in AoS.

p.s. I haven't seen a mFA achieved anywhere close to my stats, end of discussion

ForumFiery
10-26-2010, 10:17 AM
false... way too much magic loss.

if i didn't need def, no one needs def lol

have you achieved 1160 magic and 1000 def at same time with 54% amp with martial? I did with battle, talk about magic loss now, even with the loss I have more magic than mFAs out there

Dafail
10-26-2010, 10:28 AM
have you achieved 1160 magic and 1000 def at same time with 54% amp with martial? I did with battle, talk about magic loss now, even with the loss I have more magic than mFAs out there

can you 4bar pluma yet?

ForumFiery
10-26-2010, 10:33 AM
can you 4bar pluma yet?

haven't tried, but here's some things your server's FAs haven't done yet, I 2 bar derk no pot, and I tank it without stacking aura, I can extend. I finish tank in under 1 bm2 aura no pots, 4 bar quad no pots no odd. :D

Dafail
10-26-2010, 01:52 PM
haven't tried, but here's some things your server's FAs haven't done yet, I 2 bar derk no pot, and I tank it without stacking aura, I can extend. I finish tank in under 1 bm2 aura no pots, 4 bar quad no pots no odd. :D

If can solo pluma in 4bar not 6bar then i think ur FA is strongest on both server

DaSmexy
10-26-2010, 10:23 PM
ROFL another DaSmexy wonna be again ? lol nice try kid

MamaMiaYoe
10-27-2010, 10:23 AM
If can solo pluma in 4bar not 6bar then i think ur FA is strongest on both server

Theres one who can. But that FA doesnt want to release the video yet

Spur
10-27-2010, 10:26 AM
If can solo pluma in 4bar not 6bar then i think ur FA is strongest on both server

gotta use some common sense. if an FA can 2 bar it with full buffs y cant that same FA 4 bar it without full buffs. full buffs do not 2x ure power for 90secs

forumaccount
10-27-2010, 10:52 AM
gotta use some common sense. if an FA can 2 bar it with full buffs y cant that same FA 4 bar it without full buffs. full buffs do not 2x ure power for 90secs

full buffs doesnt have to double ur dps to turn a 4bar into a 2bar. pluma's regen doesnt magically double as well when u double ur dps no? u also have to take into account that when u 4bar, there is a duration during which u have to bm and buff up during which pluma can regen his hp, so buffs only have to increase ur dmg by prolly 50% ish to 2bar

Spur
10-27-2010, 11:40 AM
full buffs doesnt have to double ur dps to turn a 4bar into a 2bar. pluma's regen doesnt magically double as well when u double ur dps no? u also have to take into account that when u 4bar, there is a duration during which u have to bm and buff up during which pluma can regen his hp, so buffs only have to increase ur dmg by prolly 50% ish to 2bar

lol increasing an FA with 1500matk by 50% u do the math and tell me wat is needed. not only that the 2 bar was done b4 180 patch so 170 was max lvl and no kred

realowner
10-28-2010, 07:08 AM
3664 not high enough for you? your fa is lame, just saying, I can probably 1 hit you without using SS in AoS.

p.s. I haven't seen a mFA achieved anywhere close to my stats, end of discussion

go buy more alz

ForumFiery
10-28-2010, 07:40 AM
go buy more alz

proof please

xXPrecisionXx
10-28-2010, 08:14 AM
proof please

no need proof. based on the amount of time you've spent on cabal, it`s impossible to have what you have.

ForumFiery
10-28-2010, 08:31 AM
no need proof. based on the amount of time you've spent on cabal, it`s impossible to have what you have.

I'm old school, and I'm not friendless like you

Matrimoney
10-28-2010, 08:35 AM
I'm old school, and I'm not friendless like you

if you have so-called friends why do they never stick up for you? most of the people i see u with in-game are the ones you fully geared out so they seem to have an obligation to hang around u

lol its either that or you on one of the many accounts youve bought

Rowe
10-28-2010, 08:48 AM
i never have a problem with fiery unlike you.

ForumFiery
10-28-2010, 09:32 AM
if you have so-called friends why do they never stick up for you? most of the people i see u with in-game are the ones you fully geared out so they seem to have an obligation to hang around u

lol its either that or you on one of the many accounts youve bought

I know you mad because I 11 to 7ed you in ch8 bi with alot of people watching, even you had the FS riding bike in circles around me trying to make me lag you still lost, GG, only times you can ever beat is is when I lag, get stunned, or broke, sad

Hasufel
10-28-2010, 11:06 AM
Fighting words.get it on

tZors
10-28-2010, 11:39 AM
LOL i was there for those PVPs in BI, Fiery and Tele was sexxin

Roopo
10-28-2010, 11:55 AM
doesnt matter if they sexxin, they come to mercury and get messed up anyday by their counterparts, spur and phantastic.

tZors
10-28-2010, 12:06 PM
doesnt matter if they sexxin, they come to mercury and get messed up anyday by their counterparts, spur and phantastic.


i'd love to see that...

forumaccount
10-28-2010, 12:18 PM
lol increasing an FA with 1500matk by 50% u do the math and tell me wat is needed. not only that the 2 bar was done b4 180 patch so 170 was max lvl and no kred

are u trying to assume that pluma has 0 def too by throwing that number out? u prolly only need ~200-300 matk to significantly increase fa's dps because they have aos, and as far as i know fury+mana condense pot+amp pot (dont know which type he used, 30% maybe?) is plenty enough to do that. im not saying phan cant 4 bar cuz he prolly can, if he uses oc that is, im correcting ur statement that u need 2x the dmg to kill pluma in 2bars, understand broski?

forumaccount
10-28-2010, 12:20 PM
are u trying to assume that pluma has 0 def too by throwing that number out? u prolly only need ~200-300 matk to significantly increase fa's dps because they have aos, and as far as i know fury+mana condense pot+amp pot (dont know which type he used, 30% maybe?) is plenty enough to do that. im not saying phan cant 4 bar cuz he prolly could, if he uses oc that is, im correcting ur statement that u need 2x the dmg to kill pluma in 2bars, understand broski?

changed word in bold since, well, phan quit didnt he

nckitsos
11-06-2010, 01:46 PM
go martial = accept mediocrity.

forc amp or quit.

xXPrecisionXx
11-09-2010, 04:42 AM
i never have a problem with fiery unlike you.

how much does fiery pay you to be his friend? (in terms of alz and USD please)

ForumFiery
11-09-2010, 06:46 AM
go martial = accept mediocrity.

forc amp or quit.

+1 for the truth

xXPrecisionXx
11-09-2010, 07:02 AM
+1 for the truth

truth is that u buy alz. admit to it.

ForumFiery
11-09-2010, 07:07 AM
truth is that u buy alz. admit to it.

I'm legit from top to bottom, and i never and will not buy alz, admit you are a hater, end of story, I 1 hit you with ease

Shinji
11-09-2010, 07:20 AM
You sound like a mad kid wanting attention.To much stress causes abusive use of money :>

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 09:09 AM
go martial = accept mediocrity.

forc amp or quit.


False. I dont agree. There are FA's who can utilize pro-ness no matter what build you put them to. Lets consider martial, while they may have low defense that can make big maps/dungeons like PI and FT b2f difficult than battle/forcium builds, they still have the advantage of havng more magic/dmge that can benefit them from killing targets faster than battle builds.

There is no fail build in the FA world (well for me OSM armor can be) as long as it works fine for the user.

It all comes to the player and how he decides to do and obtain things to better improve his ingame character. :)

Roopo
11-09-2010, 09:11 AM
Seems like people forget that FA is a ranged class.

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 09:14 AM
Im just applying critical thinking outside the box and looking at it through all perspectives and If I (a forcium build FA) would put my shoes to each build, I could tell what good things I can do with it/ being it. Except for OSM armor build, that build is something that might not be able to accomplish anything except for the weird fact that the person is silly enough to do it.

ForumFiery
11-09-2010, 09:23 AM
mFA has no potential, there's no osm martial of amp with amp in slot but it's a possibility on battle gears, and not to say, most or all of the current mFAs don't have my magic attack anyways. so they are losing both def and magic attack

Roopo
11-09-2010, 09:30 AM
Hey fiery, keep in mind that the majority of players aren't alz buyers. Or maybe I'm wrong? haha

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 09:31 AM
@Fiery
I know its an observation youve been witnessing in your server. But we should stop comparing other people and their builds with ours like what we do in real life (the looking glass self as what sociologist call). You cannot force someone to be good,better by them being like you, its not about you, and its not about me, its about motivating the whole FA community and giving them an honest answer with regards to gear choice..and I will say once again..as long as its working for you whether pvp or pve or both or whatever, its not a fail build. No FA build can go over the top of others. Its all about control and decision.

ForumFiery
11-09-2010, 09:32 AM
Hey fiery, keep in mind that the majority of players aren't alz buyers. Or maybe I'm wrong? haha

looks son, I don't know what you saying, take out proof or shut up. just to give you something to think about, ever seen that people who accuse others of doing something often does it to get attention away from themselves? just saying

Roopo
11-09-2010, 09:38 AM
Notice how I didn't even accuse you? I can see how you don't know what I'm saying. "just saying"

And no, I'm not trying to bring attention to myself, I'm trying to point out that battle is win in the end, but the end is so far away from legit players. "just saying"

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 09:39 AM
If all people are given +15 forcium amp/deathblow orbs, +7 bos, +10 ros, merg/rol+2/crit ring +2, all amp and deathblow armors and all of them have different FA builds all same level. I will guarantee you in a pvp match everyone will 2-3 skills each other with crits in a pvp, everyone will have a chance to survive PI and FT2 in pve given the right vamp accessories. Armors arent really the basis and its the above things I mentioned that makes up that FA. But how can that damage be utilized over both? Dont it come with player skill and knowledge?

ForumFiery
11-09-2010, 09:46 AM
If all people are given +15 forcium amp/deathblow orbs, +7 bos, +10 ros, merg/rol+2/crit ring +2, all amp and deathblow armors and all of them have different FA builds all same level. I will guarantee you in a pvp match everyone will 2-3 skills each other with crits in a pvp, everyone will have a chance to survive PI and FT2 in pve given the right vamp accessories. Armors arent really the basis and its the above things I mentioned that makes up that FA. But how can that damage be utilized over both? Dont it come with player skill and knowledge?

keep in mind we are talking about builds here, not skills, just saying which build is better. I suppose a person with skills can use any gear they want and make it good but that's not what we talking about here, we are talking about gear only. and as of roopo, the endgame is not too far for legit players, alot of players are in the endgame boat today.

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 09:46 AM
I dont want you giving people the false notion of Forcium amp as the answer to the FA dream because its really not up to you or up to me to tell these guys what build is the best, when the cost of forcium amp is nearly impossible for most and that they can do fine without worrying about that expensive armor. And weve (atleast I did) seen FA's who were able to manage it without using forcy amp.

ForumFiery
11-09-2010, 09:51 AM
I dont want you giving people the false notion of Forcium amp as the answer to the FA dream because its really not up to you or up to me to tell these guys what build is the best, when the cost of forcium amp is nearly impossible for most and that they can do fine without worrying about that expensive armor. And weve (atleast I did) seen FA's who were able to manage it without using forcy amp.

I totally agree u can manage without forc amp, but forc amp is definitely a plus and the endgame set for fa or as a matter of fact for every class in this game

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 09:52 AM
In short I am against this whole Battle vs. Martial Argument. Whats the purpose of saying forcium amp is the answer? to show them that were so awesome obtaining these things? I love the FA class maybe as much or more than you do, and its one thing I want to do as a part to motivate the FA community. And its not just saying it for you to feel better, you can try it yourself and see what I mean.

Roopo
11-09-2010, 09:52 AM
and as of roopo, the endgame is not too far for legit players, alot of players are in the endgame boat today.

lawl.

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 09:53 AM
I totally agree u can manage without forc amp, but forc amp is definitely a plus and the endgame set for fa or as a matter of fact for every class in this game


Yes it is a + I agree too. But if youre effed up broke, dont lose hope there are other ways. :)

ForumFiery
11-09-2010, 09:54 AM
In short I am against this whole Battle vs. Martial Argument. Whats the purpose of saying forcium amp is the answer? to show them that were so awesome obtaining these things? I love the FA class maybe as much or more than you do, and its one thing I want to do as a part to motivate the FA community. And its not just saying it for you to feel better, you can try it yourself and see what I mean.

I totally agree with you there, but we are not the ones who started this topic, and the previous posts about this topic, people were all saying osm martial is the endgame build which is clearly not the case, but yea, maybe this topic in general has been distorted too far from what people are trying to say.

Registering
11-09-2010, 05:59 PM
Why not just keep it simple? For 90% of the players Martial is the best choice because it gives you enough defense to do almost all of the content. If defense isn't an issue then your top priority should be to increase your damage, which means min/maxing your stats as much as possible.

There's literally no point at all in using Battle OSM or TG unless you can't afford Martial OSM (I don't blame you, neither could I... it's over 1b+ just for the gloves/boots). However that doesn't change that it can't be done. You'll reach 700ish defense with a good enough Martial OSM set.

I'm not sure what the average price of each forcy amp piece is but let's say 2 billion, so 6 billion for your 3 armor pieces. If you found some magical way to always get 50m per day guaranteed then it would take 2 days for 100m, 20 days for 1 billion, 120 days for 6 billion. That would be 4 months of grinding instances 15 hours a day unless you were extremely lucky and got some forcy amp drops of your own to use/trade or other 500m+ valued items. Change 15 hours a day to a more human 4 hours a day and then you basically need to spend 480 days doing it instead. If you're a bit more casual and play 2 hours a day but only spend an hour a day in the dungeon then it'll be 1920 days or 5 years. :D

MamaMiaYoe
11-09-2010, 06:26 PM
Why not just keep it simple? For 90% of the players Martial is the best choice because it gives you enough defense to do almost all of the content. If defense isn't an issue then your top priority should be to increase your damage, which means min/maxing your stats as much as possible.

There's literally no point at all in using Battle OSM or TG unless you can't afford Martial OSM (I don't blame you, neither could I... it's over 1b+ just for the gloves/boots). However that doesn't change that it can't be done. You'll reach 700ish defense with a good enough Martial OSM set.

I'm not sure what the average price of each forcy amp piece is but let's say 2 billion, so 6 billion for your 3 armor pieces. If you found some magical way to always get 50m per day guaranteed then it would take 2 days for 100m, 20 days for 1 billion, 120 days for 6 billion. That would be 4 months of grinding instances 15 hours a day unless you were extremely lucky and got some forcy amp drops of your own to use/trade or other 500m+ valued items. Change 15 hours a day to a more human 4 hours a day and then you basically need to spend 480 days doing it instead. If you're a bit more casual and play 2 hours a day but only spend an hour a day in the dungeon then it'll be 1920 days or 5 years. :D


sure keep it simple >.>