hmmm bof3 slotted for 250m or bof4 for 10m........ bof3 slotted makes 6-8 damage difference.
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hmmm bof3 slotted for 250m or bof4 for 10m........ bof3 slotted makes 6-8 damage difference.
Maybe cuz your base atk is too low to even make a different in the amp. lol.
bof3 slot > bof4 / bof5.
i clearly stated that bof3 slot > bof4.. only by a little bit though. the extra 200-240m for 8 attack isnt worth it for a non alz buyer such as myself
derpdy
well since i dont have bof3slots, i guess im not an alz buyer!Quote:
Originally Posted by deamonreaper
I have good base (1k+) and i did damage tests between bof4s and 3slots and it honestly wasnt enough for me to justify. on ls it was either3-4 dmg per tic (15-20 total) on pi mobs and 2 per tic in pvp for the almost 500m difference for 2 of em, really couldn't justify it for that. but im sure as other gear gets completed and there is less and less room to better my gear bracelets will come around.
BOFslot 3 > 4 and 5
1 amp = 10 attack for 1k base attack
bof 3 slotted = 8 amp + 10 attack from bracelet at 1k attack that would make 90 attack as its increase
bof 4 = 6 amp + 13 attack from bracelet at 1k attack that would make 73 attack as its increase
bo5 = 6 amp + 16 attack from bracelet at 1k attack that would make 76 attack as its increase
this game is about inches. each little bit more you can increase your character no matter how much it costs all adds up.
yea don't call it fail just cause you cant afford it. the point is its better. i rather use bof+3 slot than bof+4 or bof+5 any day. who said people who can afford bof+3 slot need to buy alz anyways you can still afford it easy. just need to run eod/sod alot
his just a fail cuz he can't afford it..
BoF+3 beat +4 by way more if u have good base.
i HATE BABIES
Rowe not that I'm disagreeing with you but then what would be better a bof6 or bof3 slot. And could you explain specifically why? (or anyone)
bof6 has higher min dmg and attack, and hits harder than bof 3....only way bof 3 will hit harder is if u got like...2k attack or something? my warrior buddy said even in bloody bof 3's hit less..
to continue this....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowe
bof 6 = 7% amp + 17 attack from bracelet at 1k atack that would make 87 attack as it's increase.
1500 x 7% amp = 105 + 17 = 122
1500 x 8% amp = 120 + 10 = 130
500 x 7% amp = 35 + 17 = 52
500 x 8% amp = 40 + 10 = 50
750 x 7% amp = *53 + 17 = 70
750 x 8% amp = 60 +10 = 70
*it's actually 52.5, but that's as close as it gets.
Once your base attack is above 750, at NO TIME will BoF6 dmg be > that of bof3(slot)
The only thing bof6 has over bof3(slot) is 3% minimum dmg, which doesn't even incorporate if you combo excellents (as it always hits for highest amount)
somebody didn't do their homework. numbers don't lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrimoney
1000 x 14% = 140 + 34 = 174 (this is x2 BoF6)
1000 x 16% = 160 + 20 = 180 (this is x2 BoF3slot)
1500 x 14% = 210 + 34 = 244(x2 bof6)
1500 x 16% = 240 + 20 = 260(x2 bof3slot)
cuz i know matrimonkey or sum other troll will try to argue "well if you use 2 then bof6 better hurr hurr".
unless you're hitting 500 base dmg (at which point you most likely wouldn't be at a level where you could even wear bof6 neway), it's just another OP item to make money off uninformed individuals.
I'm at about 970 attack and I did like 1 more damage with a bof 6 / bof3slot then with bof3slot x2.Quote:
Originally Posted by iNub
This is very possible. Again, there's other factors, I was only laying out the MAXIMUM attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by macbowes
bof6 + bof3slot = total 11% min dmg + 85% base min dmg for being a sword class. that means basically, every one of your attacks is going to hit between 96 - 100% of it's maximum dmg.
bof6x2 = 14% min dmg or 99% total min dmg. All I'm saying about the bof3slot x2 is this:
Assuming you hit a target with 100% of X attack's dmg wearing bof6 x2.
And then you hit it again with 100% of same attack's dmg wearing bof3slot x2.
BoF+3(slotted) will hit harder.
It's less consistent because with two of these, your min dmg is only 93% (4% min dmg per bof3slot) instead of 99% (min dmg 7% per bof6), but again assuming both attacks hit with 100% dmg, bof3slot hits harder.
mat this post confused me and i've tried not to bring it up, but are you implying that "your WA friend" (prolly darrkd lawl), hits harder with bof6 than he hits with bof3slot while in bloody? Or do you mean while he was in bloody with both bracelets that bof6 hit harder? If the answer is the latter then refer to my last post. But if you meant that bof3slot + bloody < bof6 w/o bloody, then no. it's not even possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrimoney
Unless the FS's AoD ran out after he put on the bof6 hurr hurr.
u can read any of my posts, but i'm using this as an excuse for another one. (xQuote:
Originally Posted by Devils91
@Mat
2k base atk and x2 bof6 = 2314 base atk @ 100% and 2291 base atk @ 99% (the only 2 numbers you could hit assuming you have 2k base atk)
2k base atk and x2 bof3 = 2340 base atk @ 100% and 2176 base atk @ 93% (the lowest you could hit assuming you have 2k base atk)
2k base atk + bloody = 2300 base atk and x2 bof3slot = 2688 base atk @ 100% and 2500 @ 93% (the lowest you could hit assuming you have 2k base atk)
2k base atk + bloody = 2300 and x2 bof6 = 2656 atk @ 100% and 2629 @ 99% (the only 2 numbers you could hit assuming you have 2k base atk)
It all comes down to wether you want to hit harder occassionaly or do slightly higher dmg consistantly. Is BoF3slot worth it? Yes. Is boF6 worth x2 BoF3slots? Not imo, no. In all actuality they're about even in the long run, but bof+3slot assuming 100% atk will always hit/crit harder than bof6.
wow can anyone say SUPERN3RD?!
thank you i was wondering about this as i ama fs lv 160 and i just went from bof+5 x2 to bof+3 slotted and my honor is about to got to 10 so was thinking that i needed to got to bof+6Quote:
Originally Posted by iNub
Ayeka
like Rowe said, its about inches and u try to add as much stats as you can. Now if that extra money could be put to better use, eg. upgrade from eof 6 to eof 7, then do that first. But end game bof 3 slot will justify itself. And on a side note, you'd might aswell be comparing bof 5 to bof 3 slot cause thats a closer dmg difference than with bof 4, but the scenario is still the same.
Not worth it.
BoX+3 slot is pro. End of Thread
as you can see, the thread died long ago. failtrollsoz
bof+6 > bof3 slotteds. Simple math doesn't take into account mob/player defence which is why the extra min dmg and higher base attack makes the bof6's stronger.
lol how about we jsut say its not cost effective as an early upgrade for noncash and unlucky users to buy bof3 slot, they should wory about getting amp armors adn good weapons to get ther ebase attack high enuf to be worth amping :P
An easy way to see how much damage BoF+3 vs BoF+6, is just buff up, use aura or aura +bm/bm2, press 'C' and press a skill to start attack. You can see exactly how much the base damage is gonna be (under attack).
iNub thanks for the great explanation. To hell to all bof6 sellers. But still hardheaded people never change, they'll keep bullI love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ting about the min dmg and crap. Guess if i ever wanted to buy bof6 i'll lead the seller to this thread and drop his price to shiz. But most likely not cause the only worthy upgrade after 2xbof3 slot are bof7's.
BOF+7 or gtfo you noobs.
1 way to find dmg difference besides hitting the *c* character menu to see your dmg from your skills. is to test your dps with a single hit on the iron golems out in Lake Side, such as a lance or either impact stab, just put on your bof/s 3 slots and hit with a crit single hit.............then switch to 6's or vice versa and test the dmg difference between the gears.............yes the iron golems may have a low defense.......but yet we must remember, everyone has a different defense/offense and their builds. but for the iron golem, they will always remain the same with def and tons of hp
You can't really see the difference between a bof 3 slot compared to a bof 4 or 5 but go run a dungeon how you'd normally run it and you'll see a better run time with the bof 3 slot
the more amp you have the stronger your bm2 is
I know this is old thread...but can't help but notice inub did things incorrect plus I have nothing else to do right now LOL...
Inub used the damage you do for a skill, then he calculated the effects of the bracelets based on that damage...but the effects of the bracelets factor in before the damage is calculated...
first of all, the attack on the bracelets is added to the base attack you already have....which makes your base attack different depending on which bracelets you have on.
second, the amp of the skill you use and the total amp you have from other gear should be factored in as well...the amp alters things...
when you do the math right, bof+6's always do more damage than slotted bof+3's up to a certain point...since the min damage of bof+6 is always much higher, the Min Damage of bof+6 will also be much higher....thus having more consistently high damage over time from BOF+6's.
Even if you add in the effects of defense from players or mobs, the Bof+6 will still do more damage than slotted bof+3 as well, but again up to a certain point....
So just wanted to post that for anyone who reads this thread....had I seen this thread months ago when it was posted, I'd have posted this info then.
So now for some numbers...I always love an example, don't u LOL....the formula is...
(Base Attack + attack from bof's) * (1 + amp from skill + total amp from gear) + add damage = max damage (value you see in your character sheet)
FYI, minimum damage is based on a percentage (different for each class between 10% - 20%...exampl, FS is 15%, WA is 20%...WI and FA always do max damage...they don't use BOF's anyway..which is why BOS's don't have min dmg and get add dmg instead).
With Base attack 1000 and using a skill with 85% amp and 1008 add damage...crit damage won't be shown here...
using BOF+6
(1000 + 17) * (1 + .85 + .07) + 1008 = 2960.64
using slotted BOF+3
(1000 + 10) * (1 + .85 + .08) + 1008 = 2957.30
As you can see Bof+6 does 3 more damage than slotted Bof+3....but wait, you have more amp you say...ok, lets say you have 50% amp from your other gear....
using BOF+6
(1000 + 17) * (1 + .85 + .07 + .50) + 1008 = 3469.14
using slotted BOF+3
(1000 + 10) * (1 + .85 + .08 + .50) + 1008 = 3462.30
Again, Bof+6 does more damage (7 more actually) than slotted Bof+3...but you say you have much higher base attack...ok, lets see...just for the point of it, lets say base attack is 2000
using BOF+6
(2000 + 17) * (1 + .85 + .07) + 1008 = 4880.64
using slotted BOF+3
(2000 + 10) * (1 + .85 + .08) + 1008 = 4887.30
Oh looky there....Slotted BOF+3 finally does more damage than BOF+6....but ask yourself this, how likely is it you will have 2000 base attack? During BM2 + Aura + a crap load of outside buffs (buffs from other classes) + buff pots..etc. At what point does slotted BOF+3 do more damage than BOF+6?
Well the answer to that is actually conditional....if your using a skill with 85% amp, you'd need a base attack of 1360 before slotted BOF+3 does more damage than BOF+6.
If you are using a skill with 25% amp, you'd need roughly 960 base attack before slotted BOF+3 does more damage than BOF+6.
Overall, lower amp skills benefit more from adding amp than higher amp skills does...hopefully things are a bit clearer and you now understand why Inub's post weren't looking at things the right way. THough the damage difference is minimal, the real gem of BOF+6's over slotted BOF+3's is the minimum damage....this is highly underrated because most people look at damage in short burst such as during pvp....we think of damage as how much we can do in the least number of attacks and how fast we can do it....we never think of long sustained damage...such as what you need when fighting a dungeon boss..
Over time, having 14% min dmg gives a higher DPS than having 8% min damage...because your constantly hitting for higher damage with the BOF+6's than with the BOF+3's....
So lets take the results of the last comparison above 4880.64 dmg (BOF+6) vs 4887.30 (BoF+3)...the min/max damage range of say a FS would be...
BOF+6 = 4831 - 4880 (for FS you need just 1% more min dmg before hitting for 4880 every attack all the time)
BOF+3 = 4545 - 4887 (for FS you need just 7% more min dmg before hitting for 4887 every attack all the time)
As you can see, even though BOF+3 would do 7 more max damage than BOF+6, the BOF+6 would do 286 more minimum damage than the BOF+3...so when you hit max damage, you do 7 more damage, when you hit minimum damage, you do 286 less damage. This difference isn't an issue when you crit because crits are always max damage * crit damage....so BOF+3's will always get a bit more from crits than BOF+6's when you have 1360+ Base attack.
bof3 slot helps for bls retarget xD