Nevermind, you guys were rather useless; Well other than macbowes, you actually helped me alot knowing the date NA cabal started i just looked from that date forward on the EU update, I joined cabal a couple weeks before "The Lord of War" update on 12-17(18)-2008.
I assume the NA update was probably a week or two after that because back then everyone said NA cabal got there things after EU.
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