help need fs build

**YoungSuper** · 02-25-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Leonhart

From my personal experiences and those that I've played with. There really is no point to going full dex. FS already have low def rate, the bit that you do increase it by doesn't help much at end game PVE anyways, but the attack and def helps.

And did people forgot about this thingy?
http://www.orazur.free.fr/

Edit: Haven't had the time to play since summer so I totally forgot all relevant numbers to any of the classes I've played.

i have to disagree, just like i said the only thing that happens with the dex fs is the few points lost in defense which can be overlooked with the proper gear. a dex fs will still have more def than any other classed being outmatched only by a str fs. but with the proper gear like i said that small problem can be overlooked. using your own link put a even number lower than 300 on dex and int and pump the rest into str. then reset and do the same with str and int and put the rest in dex. how can you say there def rate is still low? dex fs has the 2nd highest attack and defense rate in the game. imo it would probally benefit you better to become a dex fs than a str fs unless you want a pure pvp build.

**Leonhart** · 02-25-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by YoungSuper

i have to disagree, just like i said the only thing that happens with the dex fs is the few points lost in defense which can be overlooked with the proper gear. a dex fs will still have more def than any other classed being outmatched only by a str fs. but with the proper gear like i said that small problem can be overlooked. using your own link put a even number lower than 300 on dex and int and pump the rest into str. then reset and do the same with str and int and put the rest in dex. how can you say there def rate is still low? dex fs has the 2nd highest attack and defense rate in the game. imo it would probally benefit you better to become a dex fs than a str fs unless you want a pure pvp build.

Unless things have changed in since summer, an equally geared a FS compared to other classes does not have either the 2nd best def or attack in the game. Like I said the def rate difference means nothing when actually playing if you can notice a difference in how often you get hit lucky you, I never found myself getting hit any less. (There's tons of calculations that you need to factor in + luck)

**YoungSuper** · 02-25-2011, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Leonhart

Unless things have changed in since summer, an equally geared a FS compared to other classes does not have either the 2nd best def or attack in the game. Like I said the def rate difference means nothing when actually playing if you can notice a difference in how often you get hit lucky you, I never found myself getting hit any less. (There's tons of calculations that you need to factor in + luck)

yea things have changed since you've last played apparently. They do possess the 2nd Highest attack and defense rate now if the go full dex.

**PSBeardy** · 02-25-2011, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by YoungSuper

yea things have changed since you've last played apparently. They do possess the 2nd Highest attack and defense rate now if the go full dex.

First off OP asked for what would be best for PVP, second Dex FS fails about as much as dex Wizzy, And we are not talking about a few points of def. 30 or so points is nothing to laugh at it would be like upgrading from Tit to Red Osm.....seriously do people even bother anymore to think before giving lousy advice?

**YoungSuper** · 02-26-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by PSBeardy

First off OP asked for what would be best for PVP, second Dex FS fails about as much as dex Wizzy, And we are not talking about a few points of def. 30 or so points is nothing to laugh at it would be like upgrading from Tit to Red Osm.....seriously do people even bother anymore to think before giving lousy advice?

i already said that if you wanted a pvp build go str fs, i was just explaining to you tht dex fs isnt fail. ive proved my point, how about you prove yours. if anyone is giving lousy advice its clearly you.

**PSBeardy** · 02-26-2011, 12:08 PM

Sure how should I prove it, how about vamping the extra damage in PVE from Str shielder is 100% more effective when combined with greater DEF they have then a bump in ATT Rate and DEF Rate, the ATT Rate is ridiculous when in combo you do not miss anyways, and DEF Rate vs DEF is an equal no brainier, DEF always greater then Rate, look at which buffs people use over which. Again to OP with SFS there is almost no difference in PVP vs PVE for our setup, change to a Force Absorb Ring and Vamp Earrings and Amulet....that is it. Now please tell me what your proof for how DEX build is viable as only thing I read is a boost in irrelevant stats and a large hit to the foundation stats for this class...

**ITooTMyShid** · 02-26-2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by PSBeardy

Sure how should I prove it, how about vamping the extra damage in PVE from Str shielder is 100% more effective when combined with greater DEF they have then a bump in ATT Rate and DEF Rate, the ATT Rate is ridiculous when in combo you do not miss anyways, and DEF Rate vs DEF is an equal no brainier, DEF always greater then Rate, look at which buffs people use over which. Again to OP with SFS there is almost no difference in PVP vs PVE for our setup, change to a Force Absorb Ring and Vamp Earrings and Amulet....that is it. Now please tell me what your proof for how DEX build is viable as only thing I read is a boost in irrelevant stats and a large hit to the foundation stats for this class...

soo if i got about DEX 250-300 and STR 500-600 INT 150-200 will i be considered a fail o.o??

**M0NSTAH** · 02-26-2011, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by YoungSuper

you make it sound like a dex FS is a Terrible idea when it actually has its benefits, in at least pve. i did a little searching and i found the differences between str Fs and a dex Fs and heres what i found.

Strength Intelligence Dexterity
Attack: +0.25 +0.1 +0.23
Magic: +0.05 +0.286 +0.25
Defense: +0.25 +0 .111 +0.182
Attack rate: +0.4 +0.4 +1.75
Defense rate: +0.2 +0.1 +1.0
Recommended stat distribution
5 strength, 4 intelligence, 3 dexterity

these are what a force shielder gets for every point distributed. i found out how effective a strength Force shielder would be if you chose a strength build and its average came up to, (these arnt exact numbers but i just multiplied each stat distrubited in strength by 500 and came up with)

Attack- 125
Magic- 25
Defense- 125
attack rate- 200
defense rate- 100

and now compared to a dex shielder

attack- 115
magic- 125
defense- 91
attack rate- 875
defense rate- 500

so AyaM is right, the difference is truly only slight insignificant attack and defense but even with defense decreased by choosing dex build a force shielders defense is still better than any other class and only outclassed by other shielders who choose the strength build. but going dex is beneficial for pve plus following dex look at the massive increase in attack rate and def rate which would make pve easier for you. going dex build for the shielder would put your attack rate and defense rate 2nd to only the blader and thats surprising for a shielder but once again AyaM is right, go strength build if you a dedicated pvp build. dex shielder isnt as bad as beardy makes it seem.

I thought he said for PVP build?