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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy View Post
    you should be marked as a sticky o.o
    But then I'll be sticky =/


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    Quote Originally Posted by spittaz View Post
    cant wait to use it in war..
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    That sig made chuckle a bit.

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    so u think,cd or amp more important for fa bm3??

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    Quote Originally Posted by williamjay View Post
    so u think,cd or amp more important for fa bm3??
    lol new forum acc!
    wonder whats gonna happen next to this thread


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    Quote Originally Posted by williamjay View Post
    so u think,cd or amp more important for fa bm3??
    dude that's my question on my other account that i posted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CandiCoatted View Post
    lol new forum acc!
    wonder whats gonna happen next to this thread
    and you st,fu you cow
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewEra View Post
    and you st,fu you cow
    just like i said wonder how this thread is gonna turn out now


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    So after seeing this 2 bar Manticore video, I decided to take the time to calculate stats so we could see what kind of FA stats are required to do what this Korean FA did.



    We cannot see exactly what kind of gear they have, but we do know these givens:

    190 rank bm3 gives: 460 Magic/4 Amp
    190 rank A skill gives: 845 Magic/90 Amp
    Manticore defense is 2218

    Before synergies/aura/aos you can see that his A skill hits 4117 noncrit, 10189 crit.

    This tells us that the FA has 147 crit dmg.

    4117+2218=6335 (6335 is what their Magic*Amp should be)

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    Let's estimate the FA's base Magic and Amp to be equivalent to an endgame FA in NA (after 190 rank up)

    Assume the FA has 1200 magic (about 1180 at 180 rank, 1160 before OB, *note that the Korean FA did this with OB on*)
    Assume the FA has 60 Amp (this is typical for an FA who has 7 amp on one orb, or a small amount of amp on both orbs)

    So add up the Magic, 1200 base, 460 bm3, 845 A skill
    And multiply by the Amp, 1+ (.6 base+.04 bm3+ .9 A skill)

    (1200+460+845)*(2.54) = 6363 (This is the pure noncrit before defense is subtracted)

    6363-2218 = 4145 noncrit *(1+1.47) = 10238 crit

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    Summary:

    Observed Damage: 4117 noncrit, 10189 crit.
    from the video *only 147 Crit Dmg is definitively known*

    Estimated Damage: 4145 noncrit, 10238 crit
    from an FA with the following stats(after 190 rank up):
    1200 Magic
    60 Amp
    147 Crit Dmg


    So a 180 FA who has roughly 1160 Magic, 147 Crit Dmg, 60 Amp (these are not impossible to achieve in NA) will be able to 2 bar Manticore with no buff pots by the time they are 190. This is assuming the crit rate is similar to the Korean FA's crit rate which is unknown (and impossible to determine with our given information)



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    Note:
    An FA with the following stats(after 190 rank up):
    1200 Magic
    60 Amp
    147 Crit Dmg


    Without aura/aos/buff pots (and under the assumption that 190 rank bm2 gives 255 magic), will hit Manticore for
    511 noncrit, 1218 crit (.733 sec series, not per shot)

    So bm3, compared to bm2, can be several times more dps, especially on a target with high defense and/or regen.
    Last edited by Cathy; 02-06-2012 at 09:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy View Post
    So after seeing this 2 bar Manticore video, I decided to take the time to calculate stats so we could see what kind of FA stats are required to do what this Korean FA did.



    We cannot see exactly what kind of gear they have, but we do know these givens:

    190 rank bm3 gives: 460 Magic/4 Amp
    190 rank A skill gives: 845 Magic/90 Amp
    Manticore defense is 2218

    Before synergies/aura/aos you can see that his A skill hits 4117 noncrit, 10189 crit.

    This tells us that the FA has 147 crit dmg.

    4117+2218=6335 (6335 is what their Magic*Amp should be)

    __________________________________

    Let's estimate the FA's base Magic and Amp to be equivalent to an endgame FA in NA (after 190 rank up)

    Assume the FA has 1200 magic (about 1180 at 180 rank, 1160 before OB, *note that the Korean FA did this with OB on*)
    Assume the FA has 60 Amp (this is typical for an FA who has 7 amp on one orb, or a small amount of amp on both orbs)

    So add up the Magic, 1200 base, 460 bm3, 845 A skill
    And multiply by the Amp, 1+ (.6 base+.04 bm3+ .9 A skill)

    (1200+460+845)*(2.54) = 6363 (This is the pure noncrit before defense is subtracted)

    6363-2218 = 4145 noncrit *(1+1.47) = 10238 crit

    __________________________________


    Summary:

    Observed Damage: 4117 noncrit, 10189 crit.
    from the video *only 147 Crit Dmg is definitively known*

    Estimated Damage: 4145 noncrit, 10238 crit
    from an FA with the following stats(after 190 rank up):
    1200 Magic
    60 Amp
    147 Crit Dmg


    So a 180 FA who has roughly 1160 Magic, 147 Crit Dmg, 60 Amp (these are not impossible to achieve in NA) will be able to 2 bar Manticore with no buff pots by the time they are 190. This is assuming the crit rate is similar to the Korean FA's crit rate which is unknown (and impossible to determine with our given information)



    __________________________________

    Note:
    An FA with the following stats(after 190 rank up):
    1200 Magic
    60 Amp
    147 Crit Dmg


    Without aura/aos/buff pots (and under the assumption that 190 rank bm2 gives 255 magic), will hit Manticore for
    511 noncrit, 1218 crit (.733 sec series, not per shot)

    So bm3, compared to bm2, can be several times more dps, especially on a target with high defense and/or regen.


    +1 i like reading your math.it's good yet entertaining..+1 and over 9000
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    from my view, A skill cast time is ~ 1s, B ~1,1s

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