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    On Resist

    Example:

    Character 1 has 57/53 crit rate
    Character 2 has 7 resist crit rate

    when they duel, what is the effective cr of character 1? 50 or 46? Thanks. Sure answers only please.

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    SIGMetal Enso's Avatar
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    Only people who can give you a "sure" answer on that are EST employees with access to the game's server source code.

    In lieu of that, based on the effect crit rate debuffs have, I would guess 50.

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    why dont you remove all crit rate item and try if 5% base crit rate can work against 7% resist
    you'll get the answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanhnn13 View Post
    why dont you remove all crit rate item and try if 5% base crit rate can work against 7% resist
    you'll get the answer
    The question is about whether resist crit rate or max rate applies first, not whether there is a 1:1 ratio between resist crit rate and crit rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanhnn13 View Post
    why dont you remove all crit rate item and try if 5% base crit rate can work against 7% resist
    you'll get the answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enso View Post
    The question is about whether resist crit rate or max rate applies first, not whether there is a 1:1 ratio between resist crit rate and crit rate.
    this.

    so a class which overshoots its mcri by a mile (read: fb lol) stand in good stead against even the most cri resistant player huh. I see. So wth is mcri for? Picking up on the logic, anyone can cri, say 67% of the time out of again say 60 max cr. The former figure is the one that stands to be resisted anyway.

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    This has been tested and confirmed to be 46 per the example above. 53-7 = 46
    i.e.
    RATE (LIMIT MAX RATE) - OPPONENT RESIST RATE = EFFECTIVE RATE

    57 RATE (52 MAX RATE) - 7 OPPONENT RESIST RATE = 46 EFFECTIVE RATE

    Note: Your effective rate will always be limited by your max rate... Hence, max rate / rate balance is one of the most important character strength traits.

    Additional Notes: Rate cannot be lowered past 5%, i.e. 5-7 = 5 per the example above. Similarly, rate cannot exceed 95%.

    I hope this helps,
    ~ManBear
    Last edited by ManBear; 07-21-2015 at 07:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBear View Post
    This has been tested and confirmed to be 46 per the example above. 53-7 = 46
    i agree with this. If this wasn't the case, then max critical rate is obsolete and everyone would just push for all rate gear to get 100(95)/50
    Quote Originally Posted by ManBear View Post
    Additional Notes: Rate cannot be lowered past 5%, i.e. 5-7 = 5 per the example above.
    The video i linked is like 5 years old, are you sure it is still the case at present? i tested with fa bm2 with base rate 5 on my friend that had 5 rcr and didn't crit once in 2 bm2. when my friend take off glove they have 2 rcr and i was able to crit

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterStrudel View Post
    i agree with this. If this wasn't the case, then max critical rate is obsolete and everyone would just push for all rate gear to get 100(95)/50
    That implies that people actually test out their builds. Or even think about them beyond what other people are doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterStrudel View Post
    The video i linked is like 5 years old, are you sure it is still the case at present? i tested with fa bm2 with base rate 5 on my friend that had 5 rcr and didn't crit once in 2 bm2. when my friend take off glove they have 2 rcr and i was able to crit
    Those have been my results as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBear View Post
    This has been tested and confirmed to be 46 per the example above. 53-7 = 46
    i.e.
    RATE (LIMIT MAX RATE) - OPPONENT RESIST RATE = EFFECTIVE RATE

    57 RATE (52 MAX RATE) - 7 OPPONENT RESIST RATE = 46 EFFECTIVE RATE

    Note: Your effective rate will always be limited by your max rate... Hence, max rate / rate balance is one of the most important character strength traits.

    Additional Notes: Rate cannot be lowered past 5%, i.e. 5-7 = 5 per the example above. Similarly, rate cannot exceed 95%.

    I hope this helps,
    ~ManBear
    Thanks.


    on a lighter side of things


    still hits for 2k per even with negative cr and cd lol
    Last edited by Andrea; 07-22-2015 at 06:02 AM.

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