Attention GM's URGENT

[Lethal]

The d/c's are what gets you banned.

Right, I agree, but is it correct to call the side that got banned hackers if you were doing the same thing and didn't get banned?

[otice1]

they aren't hacking they are exploiting, there is a difference since most bans involving exploitation are temporary. If you are dumb enough to willingly exploit a dungeon you should be banned.

[Lethal]

they aren't hacking they are exploiting, there is a difference since most bans involving exploitation are temporary. If you are dumb enough to willingly exploit a dungeon you should be banned.

/sigh

Okay, I'll fix it.

Right, I agree, but is it correct to call the side that got banned exploiters if you were doing the same thing and didn't get banned?

[CNJRP]

they aren't hacking they are exploiting, there is a difference since most bans involving exploitation are temporary. If you are dumb enough to willingly exploit a dungeon you should be banned.

I would hardly call it exploitation for reasons mentioned earlier in the thread.

FT2 Glitch was exploitation.
Alz Glitch was exploitation.
Server crash was exploitation.

It would be like ESTsoft banning players who re-target with their BM2, it just doesn't make sense. All other versions of the game accept this form of leveling, and if it really was a problem they should have made an announcement.

[otice1]

No i didn't exploit the dungeon so no, i shouldn't be banned.
Retargetting hardly alters the gaming experience and if you were to be banned for doing so I would expect to d/c while I'm retargetting to alert me that I'm exploiting.

[carowe27]

No i didn't exploit the dungeon so no, i shouldn't be banned.
Retargetting hardly alters the gaming experience and if you were to be banned for doing so I would expect to d/c while I'm retargetting to alert me that I'm exploiting.

lol are you retarded re targeting does change the gaming experience. it changes how the game is played so it changes the experience.

[otice1]

lol are you retarded re targeting does change the gaming experience. it changes how the game is played so it changes the experience.

Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage
sorry but retargetting is not included in that statement because it is documented. Nice try tho...once again read the TOS before posting

[annoy]

how did this turn from getting GM's to look at some tickets to arguing who was hacking or not?

[CNJRP]

No i didn't exploit the dungeon so no, i shouldn't be banned.
Retargetting hardly alters the gaming experience and if you were to be banned for doing so I would expect to d/c while I'm retargetting to alert me that I'm exploiting.

It doesn't alter the game experience? With retargeted certain classes BM2s are significantly better than they normally would be, which is a huge impact on the game. You may not have farmed IC2 for experience but your guild members have. If your guild members were blocked what would have you done?

Just because they have hacking and botting prevention parameters set, doesn't mean that all players blocked were either hacking or botting. Especially after an update there will be potential new ways to falsely trigger their system.

Just to point a few things I have noticed out:
1) There is no recent list of "3rd party program abusers" posted on the forums, the last one was about the time when IC2 came out. Possibly a coincidence, but I honestly think ESTsoft is aware of their system blocking legitimate players and might be working for a solution.
2) No announcement has been made as to stop running the dungeon, or warning players that farming monsters in their is "exploiting" a bug, as you say. Which either means ESTsoft is flat out ignorant, and just doesn't care (companies like that perish and are shut down) OR it means that ESTsoft is investigating the issue at hand and trying for a fix (I have noticed that ESTsoft at first generally did a spectacular job investigating before taking action).
3) As for your RS argument, there is a significant difference I agree. RS is for lower levels where 100K experience can be fantastic, while IC2 is fore higher levels. Because of their current system I doubt that 100K experience would trigger their anti-hacking system while 2m experience would.

[whitetrash]

Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage
sorry but retargetting is not included in that statement because it is documented. Nice try tho...once again read the TOS before posting

so what your saying is letting monsters that spawn in the game and killing them is exploit lol come on thats classic


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hmmm dont seeem like a exploit to me