So I need to decide. Right now, I'm using those +5 3% amp gloves you get from the quest.
Is 3% Amp better than 16 - 20 atk? Somebody tell meee.
So I need to decide. Right now, I'm using those +5 3% amp gloves you get from the quest.
Is 3% Amp better than 16 - 20 atk? Somebody tell meee.
Six Disciples of Syndicate
SyndicateBlader: 12x (Active)
SyndicateForce: (Preproduction)
SyndicateShield: (Preproduction)
SyndicateWarrior: 2x (Preproduction)
SyndicateArcher: (Preproduction)
SyndicateWizard: (Preproduction)
go with the 16-20 attk gloves
16x WA Capella - Retired
You can just call me amazing
1amp = 1% of ur total atk
u have 1000 atk? 3amp = 30atk
u have 0500 atk? 3amp = 15atk
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For those who don't understand this is how its done. 3% amp vs 15 atk case study
Trans skill : Upcoming shield Grenade for FS
Take the upcoming FS trans skill as an example 990 atk 90% amp @ lvl 15. Say you have 50% amp from gear, 1000 atk
3% amp
Total atk = 990 + 1000 = 1990 atk
Total amp = 53 + 90 = 143 amp
(1990 x 143 / 100) + 1990 = 2846 + 1990 = 4836
Base Damage on PvP vs. Enemy with 1k def = (4836 - 1000) / 4 = 959
Now 15 atk instead of 3% amp :
Total Atk = 990 + 1000 + 15 = 2005
Total Amp = 50 + 90 = 140
(2005 x 140 / 100) + 2005 = 4812
Base Damage on PvP vs. Enemy with 1k def = (4812 - 1000) / 4 = 953
The difference for base is not so much. 959 - 953 = 6.
Now for short atk like impact stab :
3% amp
Total atk = 1000 + 48 = 1048
Total amp = 50 + 35 + 3 = 88
(1048 x 88 / 100) + 1048 = 1970
Base Dmg in PvP vs 1k def enemy = (1970 - 1000) / 4 = 242
15 atk instead of 3% amp
Total atk = 1000 + 48 + 15 = 1063
Total amp = 50 + 35 = 85
(1063 x 85/100) + 1063 = 1967
Base dmg in pvp vs 1k def enemy = (1967 - 1000) / 4 = ~ 242
Dmg difference = 242 - 242 = 0
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Conclusion :
High DPS atk, FK impact stab etc, vi for blader , force stab / rising for fs, lances cannons for magic class etc. 5 atk = 1% amp
Trans , Comp , GM skill 1% amp > 5 atk, almost looks by a little more than 6%.
So it seems like 1% amp ftw ? Slightly ?? WRONG ... here is why
NOTE :
1. if you have more amp, that surpass 50%, it will favor attack more. This will be the case with the new red k-board. Also if you have amp build that go 55% +, it will favor attack more than amp.
2. For sword classes : Minimum % dmg Contribute to dmg, and minimum dmg act only on base atk, however this only acts when you are not critting.
FINALLY SO based on NOTE , 5 atk = 1% amp , no difference.
For sword class, because of minimum dmg 5 atk > 1% amp.
For magic classes 1% amp > 5 atk (may be) . For magic classes ask a seasoned WI, FA.
But I think it's safe to assume 5 atk ~ 1% amp, where 5 atk is favored, AND this is also why bof6 > bof3 it makes a significant difference in dmg.
Last edited by forumtwizzler; 08-30-2010 at 08:14 AM.
true but those are all cases of pvp with skills
w/o pvp, in pve, amp would win in every situation based on your numbers there
we should also look at bm2 stats too, unless ur a wiz
3% amp
Total atk = 1300 (lets say in bm2)
Total amp = 50 + 3 = 53
(1300 x 53 / 100) + 1300 = 1989
Base Dmg in PvP vs 1k def enemy = (1989 - 1000) / 4 = 247.25
Base Dmg in PvE vs 1k def enemy = (1989 - 1000) = 989
15 atk
Total atk = 1300 + 15 = 1315
Total amp = 50 = 50
(1315 x 50 / 100) + 1315 = 1989
Base Dmg in PvP vs 1k def enemy = (1972.5 - 1000) / 4 = 243.125
Base Dmg in PvE vs 1k def enemy = (1989 - 1000) = 972.5
not much of a diff but 30atk would do 995 pve where 6 amp would do 1028 pve
60atk would do 1040 pve where 12 amp would do 1106 pve
and the difference keeps increasing, and we can do the same for skill use, no bm2
and realistically some1 looking at gaining atk in exchange for amp wouldn't have 50amp so the difference would be even greater
we should be comparing 1000atk 50amp vs 1016atk 43amp, or 1000atk 57amp vs 1016atk 50amp
and amp wins hands down
SonicCinos
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1. You are also forgetting about minimum dmg % which act only on base atk.
2. The ratio you presented in your case is out of proportion, read my post on red blue , to see dmg difference.
see if hands won hands down by the ratio you are pulling up, bof3 > bof6. that's not the case. and it's tested over and over. you can check the difference for yourself, I posted the numbers.
and it's quite realistic, look at my stat in my signature. pretty much 1k atk , 176% cd, 50% amp w/o red k - board. (scroll up to see my signature)
minimum dmg % + base atk > % amp for ratio of 5:1, meaning 5 atk and 1% amp.
for sword class 5 atk > 1% amp , slightly.
Last edited by forumtwizzler; 08-30-2010 at 08:37 AM.
Last edited by Sonic; 08-30-2010 at 08:40 AM.
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haha, my stats ? thanks. that's probably because i am an FS, our bm1/ 2 skills are poor and we have no debuffs.
anyway sonic , well here is something ... see minimum dmg makes a difference too , and minimum dmg % act only on base atk ? (correct me if i am wrong). and it doesn't work like
atk x min dmg x amp < it doesn't work like that if that's what you are assuming. more like (atk x amp) + (atk x extra min dmg from bofs w/e) on random scale of 80 to 100.
I think what I say is correct.
Ask yourself :
1. How much bof6 min dmg u get there ? (For those who don't know min dmg don't effect crits)
2. Now assume you crit 50% time and 50% you don't And 50% you don't the min dmg act like pure amp. So it's almost like 2% min% dmg = 1% amp acting on those attacks, assuming you crit 50%.
Syndicate is a blader (sword class) so minimum % dmg does make a differnce to him. I would say approx 15 atk ~ 3% amp. 16 - 20 > 3% amp no question about it.
Last edited by forumtwizzler; 08-30-2010 at 09:08 AM.
idk why were talking bout min damage or bof6s O.O
but yea min damage, capped at 15%, would work after def on non crits as a multiplier from 85% to 100% randomly (from what i understand)
its possible to hit max min damage even w/o any min damage
but that aside id still keep the 3%amp quest gloves rather than getting 16atk gloves if i were syndicate
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