View Full Version : Warrior vs Force Shielder
cutthroat26
10-09-2010, 01:25 PM
IM just curious as to whether a warrior can beat force shielder...
realowner
10-09-2010, 03:58 PM
yeah of course in pk FS might do better eh it depends on how well u play ur class
jimbo
10-09-2010, 04:06 PM
wa in pk....battle cry...stop them from criting....and wa best all around offesne and defense
Hasufel
10-10-2010, 11:02 AM
WA in bm2 wins....FS in normal pk wins
jimbo
10-10-2010, 12:43 PM
Nah ,still say saY wa
mrtzors
10-11-2010, 02:51 PM
duh WA > All other classes
good day sir
FenrisulfRAWRAWRAWR
10-12-2010, 10:28 PM
wa in pk....battle cry...stop them from criting....and wa best all around offesne and defense
-2
1. PANIC Cry*
2. It makes YOU crit THEM 30% harder with an increased chance of 21%.
NOT lowers THEIR Rate / Damage.
jimbo
10-15-2010, 09:55 PM
-2
1. PANIC Cry*
2. It makes YOU crit THEM 30% harder with an increased chance of 21%.
NOT lowers THEIR Rate / Damage.
lol thanks for the fix..
ZEPR0
10-15-2010, 10:04 PM
wa in pk....battle cry...stop them from criting....and wa best all around offesne and defense
why use debuffs in pvp kinda like cheating
well if your gonna use PC on my I`ll use MB just to be fair
Mishon
10-15-2010, 10:05 PM
FS = OP
WA = Even More OP
Others = Noob
tZors
10-16-2010, 10:41 PM
FS = OP
WA = Even More OP
Others = Noob
end thread kthxbye
cerverus3
10-18-2010, 05:40 AM
why use debuffs in pvp kinda like cheating
well if your gonna use PC on my I`ll use MB just to be fair
u know MB reduce u defence by 70% and u gain 300 attack
tink about it even went u get more attack u get down faster because of the WA massive attack and dmg =3
ZEPR0
10-18-2010, 05:23 PM
u know MB reduce u defence by 70% and u gain 300 attack
tink about it even went u get more attack u get down faster because of the WA massive attack and dmg =3
I guess the one who crits first will be the victor
w/c the FS probably will be the first
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PopThatCherry
10-19-2010, 06:46 AM
I guess the one who crits first will be the victor
w/c the FS probably will be the first
irst
bro if u have mb on while panic cry is on u all the WA needs to do is WW and 1shot u...
why use debuffs in pvp kinda like cheating
well if your gonna use PC on my I`ll use MB just to be fair
if u get PC'd and u decide to MB, WA can also bloody (same effects as MB)
at which point you're about 1 crit from death ;)
Mishon
10-20-2010, 03:56 PM
SG (Crit) > SS (Crit) > Impact Stab = Dead WA
Lelouch
10-20-2010, 05:20 PM
SG (Crit) > SS (Crit) > Impact Stab = Dead WA
I'd love to see a FS 2 shot a WA with over 1k def and 4k hp.
otice1
10-20-2010, 06:02 PM
I'd love to see a FS 2 shot a WA with over 1k def and 4k hp.
SS+SG if both crit that's easliy 4k vs 1k defense.
Lelouch
10-20-2010, 06:12 PM
SS+SG if both crit that's easliy 4k vs 1k defense.
I suppose, but I'd say most 170 WA+ have atleast 1050+ def and 4.2k+ hp buffed. (just a guess from what I've seen)
forumaccount
10-20-2010, 06:50 PM
if a wa has hp rune and at least r14 honor, 4500 hp is ezy at 170
on another note, i doubt ss does enough dmg to do over 2k crit on a wa with over 1k def. for example, my lvl18 sw does about 3300 before dmg mitigation, WITH a leg (thats over 1100 base atk). so if we assume a ss does that much as well without a leg (u would have to be pretty dam geared to hit that number anyway), u would still do less than 600 dmg, about 550 non crit in normal pvp. if we assume use of a 40 dmg helm, k red, and 3 cr+2, u have around 260% cd figuratively when u use ss. thats rite around 2k, but def not enuf to 2hko a wa with 4.5k hp
4k hp and 1k def sure, but not 4.5k, and ur chances of critting both is slightly over 1 in 4 at best
cerverus3
10-20-2010, 09:29 PM
also dont forget if u get down my WA skill u are down for the count =3
jimbo
10-21-2010, 08:08 PM
bro if u have mb on while panic cry is on u all the WA needs to do is WW and 1shot u...
+1 you dont even have to crit to kill
bro if u have mb on while panic cry is on u all the WA needs to do is WW and 1shot u...
if i have mb on and a WA tried to WW me, i'd kill him before he even stops casting WW lol
as for the main topic:
WA bm2 > FS bm2 aoe wise
FS bm2> WA bm2 dmg wise and is much better suited for pk than WA's cause we have a longer range/more dmg
out side of bm's, WA is genrally the better class, highest HP, 2nd highest def, good dmg and decent range as a sword class, and not to mention a greater support class with fury/ms/and panic
so overall, WA> FS
forumaccount
10-21-2010, 11:50 PM
frankly speaking i think fs's bm2 is actually weaker than wa's cuz it atks slower even if it may do a lil more dmg per individual hit, and fs bm2 is weaker in pk in general because fs lacks ii, so fs would keep getting knocked down/stunned and that severely limit their dmg output, not to mention having to untarget after EVERY hit
getting knocked down and having to retarget after every hit shouldn't be a problem at all for a skilled player, and the diff between the atk speed on fs bm2/ wa bm2 isn't even noticeable, i play both chars and i think WA's might have a 1-2 milisecond faster cast, which wont make up for the over 1k++ dmg difference
forumaccount
10-22-2010, 06:15 AM
sure it isnt just diff in gears? from wat i hear wa bm2 is ~.8s atks and fs is 1s, and im sure ur wa cant have the same gears as ur fs. ive always thought fs bm2 as just an annoyance in war since its ezy for wi/fa to stun them and mess em up, or ppl I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥I love you >.<♥ and dont know how to get up when knocked down
i wasn't comparing dmg with my WA vs my FS-i was comparing the cast time between the swings, i was comparing it with other WA's by watching their vids, i can do 1k+ more dmg than them in bm2 if not, more...and im still lacking a bunch of gear such as s.amp rune, hp steal rune, atk rune, bof7s, rof10s, 20% dmg weps and a 40% dmg helm
Hasufel
10-28-2010, 10:27 AM
WA bm2 is way better.say soloing for bosses.WA will out dps the fs by far.Does more dmg each hit since the WA attacks faster and should have higher base CD then the fs and the fs cant use skills when in bm2 which is where he gets most of his crit damage..well he can its just not logical.Plus panic cry and bloody.FS has AOD/MB and thats great and all but it cant compete.
You wont see an fs soloing pluma.....
forumblahblah
10-30-2010, 11:25 PM
Yomo, what kind of WA have you been fighting?
A Wa can EASILY one hit if he crits ww when he goes BS and you go MB.
P.S. once WW is casted, the dmg is isntantly dealt and if it does one hit you, it's over before the casting of WW is even done. Pretty much like any other class.
lol how wouldn't a WA not 1 shot me if i was in mb and hes in bs lol but i'd prolly kill him before he gets near me
@Hasufel
i never said WA bm2 isn't better than FS bm2...along with faster cast time they have much more aoe although FS do hit harder and if a FS is up against a derk and they dps fight, the FS will most likely win...
as for ur pluma comment, you don't see many FS from our version of cabal soloing pluma is cause super hasn't posted a vid and divine has been mia for too long
not to mention all the WA's in NA cabal that i've seen that soloed pluma all have top notch gear... on top of that, WA's have it easier with bears+ cats lasts longer unlike aod which is 60 secs meaning we cant hold bane as long as they can and they get more vamp and regen and also auto crits from PC, when a FS solos pluma that fs has to worry bout critting enough, holding bane long enough, and tanking
Hasufel
10-31-2010, 12:32 AM
I find it hard to believe that a FS would out dps a WA if they both had equal gear on a derk.WA with Bloody/Bears+Panic Cry+Bm2+Aura > FS with MB/AOD+Bm2+Aura
ZEPR0
10-31-2010, 11:37 AM
WA bm2 is way better.say soloing for bosses.WA will out dps the fs by far.Does more dmg each hit since the WA attacks faster and should have higher base CD then the fs and the fs cant use skills when in bm2 which is where he gets most of his crit damage..well he can its just not logical.Plus panic cry and bloody.FS has AOD/MB and thats great and all but it cant compete.
You wont see an fs soloing pluma.....
your wrong dude FS
could use SB & SG while on BM2
I find it hard to believe that a FS would out dps a WA if they both had equal gear on a derk.WA with Bloody/Bears+Panic Cry+Bm2+Aura > FS with MB/AOD+Bm2+Aura
panic would apply to both of our dmg and FS naturally have a harder hitting bm2...
Hasufel
10-31-2010, 03:29 PM
your wrong dude FS
could use SB & SG while on BM2
yea im aware that they can use it. i said "he can its just not logical"
thered be no reason to use skills.
Hasufel
10-31-2010, 03:31 PM
panic would apply to both of our dmg and FS naturally have a harder hitting bm2...
it only hits a tiny bit harder and you cant factor in panic cry for the fs that doesnt make much sense.say two different derks then.....but the warrior can get 3 attacks in by the time the fs gets in 2.
ZEPR0
10-31-2010, 04:34 PM
panic would apply to both of our dmg and FS naturally have a harder hitting bm2...
yeah wa have a higher dps than FS
but mind you FS crit more than WA
so more crit more dmg
thats probably why FS could kill derk faster than WA with the same gear of course
just a thought about the scenario
forumaccount
10-31-2010, 06:16 PM
fs and wa would never have the "same gear" as fs go for amp weaps and wa always go for cd weaps, and depending on the wa u cant rly say fs crits more often. i have 53 rate, it would take fs a bit of work to match my rate and get the same cd as i have w/o sacrificing amp, which gives the consistency that fs seriously lack
ZEPR0
10-31-2010, 07:52 PM
I find it hard to believe that a FS would out dps a WA if they both had equal gear on a derk.WA with Bloody/Bears+Panic Cry+Bm2+Aura > FS with MB/AOD+Bm2+Aura
@forumaccount
dude I was refering to this scenario
chickenpotpie
10-31-2010, 07:58 PM
panic would apply to both of our dmg and FS naturally have a harder hitting bm2...
Is this why a wa can 4 bars pluma at 170? Where is your 4 bars if fs bm2 has more dps?
forumaccount
10-31-2010, 08:03 PM
@forumaccount
dude I was refering to this scenario
ya but ur assuming fs crits more often than wa, and im saying thats not true since some wa have more crit rate AND wa can use panic
ZEPR0
10-31-2010, 08:11 PM
ya but ur assuming fs crits more often than wa, and im saying thats not true since some wa have more crit rate AND wa can use panic
-1
I dont think so
FS got crushing blade remember
thats 24% rate up
WA > FS there is no real debate about it
Hasufel
10-31-2010, 08:20 PM
-1
I dont think so
FS got crushing blade remember
thats 24% rate up
um panic cry...and aura....WA's have max rate when bossing.
Is this why a wa can 4 bars pluma at 170? Where is your 4 bars if fs bm2 has more dps?
i explained it already...WA have a bunch of things over FS...
first, bears+ cats, more hp means more hp vamped back up per hit and cats gives another 100 regen
bears+cats last longer than aod, which means WA's can keep bloody longer
WA's have panic cry, which is pretty much auto crits for a whole 30 secs, fs not only have to worry about critting enough, they have to tank long enough with bane and also to not die at the same time...that's why you don't see many fs solo's
as for the topic of this thread, as i stated before, WA is the general better class when comparing with FS
forumaccount
10-31-2010, 10:04 PM
-1
I dont think so
FS got crushing blade remember
thats 24% rate up
lmao just cuz fs has crushing blade doesnt mean u have more crit rate, unless ur telling me u have 53 rate 24/7 and 74 when i use panic. yes fs has better rate w/o gear, but ur not gonna atk bosses w/o any gear on r u? cmon ur logic is getting worse by the moment
Divinehonor
11-01-2010, 03:37 AM
Considering I could 2 hit warriors 170/170 in full pk mode id say FS are the better class or was for PK, not sure since I havent been on in awhile.
ZEPR0
11-01-2010, 02:23 PM
Considering I could 2 hit warriors 170/170 in full pk mode id say FS are the better class or was for PK, not sure since I havent been on in awhile.
+5
this is really my point(pvp)
you guys are talking about different aspects
between FS & WA
Campus
11-02-2010, 04:53 AM
WA can win over Fs
deamonreaper
11-04-2010, 06:25 PM
wa's have a sickle for a bm2 wep = wa bm2 is better =D
Hasufel
11-05-2010, 11:41 AM
+5
this is really my point(pvp)
you guys are talking about different aspects
between FS & WA
Straight up pvp doesnt really tell you much. PK on the other hand is really a toss up on who knows how to play their character better.
Tenrai
11-18-2010, 06:46 AM
have a wa meet me in channel 20 or in pk chans and lets spar.
megablast1
11-18-2010, 06:54 AM
man my magic Warrior is beastly and will kill any lvl 170 and above
int base ftw
im lvl 80 btw
megablast1
11-18-2010, 06:56 AM
b4 u comment ... ur hatred is not wanted here u hate my stats cus u wish u can be beastly like me
ZEPR0
11-18-2010, 09:15 AM
man my magic Warrior is beastly and will kill any lvl 170 and above
int base ftw
im lvl 80 btw
man yur fkin noob
stop posting garbage aight
wats up with your MAGIC warrior plain stupidity