WA vs FS

[Spur]

time for a new debate. this will be about WA vs FS all skills at lvl 20 , both lvl 180 , equivalent gear / title for pvp only!

time to discuss with facts only please

ok lets say these were their gear and if anyone thinks these arent fair speak out

bof7 x2
vamp7 x2
eof8
kred
vital4
forcy amp suit /boot /glove +11
7/40 osm helm +9
merg ring
rof10 x2

now for the things that are different
FS gets rof x1 , 14amp sword+11 , 14amp crystal+11
WA gets rol2 x1 , 14/32 gs+11

now all we need is a lvl 180 FS and WA to give me their stats if they had the above

[otice1]

FS can 2shot warrior but warrior cannot 2shot fs. nuff said

[Matrimoney]

eh id say warrior would win majority.

[Deathlymonkey]

eh id say warrior would win majority.

I have to agree, warriors dont have to rely on crits.

[elvie]

wula vs darkd? i'd say wula.

[Hasufel]

Yea Warrior would win majority.And not really sure if a FS would 2 shot a warrior with equal gear.

[Filthy]

FS can 2shot warrior but warrior cannot 2shot fs. nuff said

yup


lvl180 WA and lvl180 FS both naked, with NPC weapons, WA I guess would win....bout the only way both would be equally geared, at least wep wise.

[deamonreaper]

pvp? whoever crits more wins. no discussion

[Chris7]

yup

from what ive seen, FS have the same, if not greater base attack than WAs plus ridiculous CR and damage.

smack yourself for the base attack comment.

[Lelouch]

WA by far, if Fs dont crit they dont win GG

[Chris7]

the 12345.

[elvie]

freestyle pvp, bl wins

[Rockstar]

yup

from what ive seen, FS have the same, if not greater base attack than WAs plus ridiculous CR and damage.

lol... this is comparing equal weapons.. not an FS using forcium and WA using osm.

[elvie]

you can't compare equal weaps on fs and wa

[Filthy]

smack yourself for the base attack comment.

Equal grade weapons, of course WA has higher base attack. In real world, from what ive seen, both WA and FS have close base attack.

[iNub]

WA by far, if Fs dont crit they dont win GG

if FS doesn't crit it should probably see if crushing blade is up.

[Lelouch]

if FS doesn't crit it should probably see if crushing blade is up.

Lol? If they don't crit they don't crit, you can have 60% rate and never crit. I've had 52% rate and didn't crit once in a round of 5 pvps.

[SheEvil1]

ok heres the deal

HP : wa has max 300 more hp than FS
base attack : about the same
crit dmg: FS has way more than Wa
amp: FS has way more than WA
Def: Fs has about 100 more def than WA

NOt to mention FS's new skill > Wa's new skill

so u tell me which one is better.

[Matrimoney]

ok heres the deal

HP : wa has max 300 more hp than FS
base attack : about the same
crit dmg: FS has way more than Wa
amp: FS has way more than WA
Def: Fs has about 100 more def than WA

NOt to mention FS's new skill > Wa's new skill

so u tell me which one is better.

lol...wa has like 600 more hp than fs

wa's have higher attack because they dont have to use an xtal, so wa=WAY higher using the same wep grades not to mention soul blade

cd fs does have more

amp lol??? using the same weps both classes have the same amp...

def fs has more but not much more


lets not forget wa's shorts...almost 6k hp with bloody and panic...fs has mb and aod but in aod theyre useless..stand outta range. wa+bloody+panic vs fs in mb...fs gets 1 shot ez

[yomo]

like i said before in guild chat >.>

FS have more def+amp+cd+cr
WA have more HP and that's about it lol

FS skills have 50% crit inc and 100% crit inc
WA skills got nutin'

if both were to pvp 100 times, i'd say FS would win about 60-65 times

all other aspects WA's usually > FS =\

[Matrimoney]

like i said before in guild chat >.>

FS have more def+amp+cd+cr
WA have more HP and that's about it lol

FS skills have 50% crit inc and 100% crit inc
WA skills got nutin'

if both were to pvp 100 times, i'd say FS would win about 60-65 times

all other aspects WA's usually > FS =\

You only have more amp because your weps are dual amp goofball. how do you have more cd with dual amp weps anyway? 80 cd wep on a warrior with a 7/40 = 190 cd...and what almost 1100 attack without rof 10's

were talking about the same gear for both players here...not a "top" wa vs a "top" fs or something..fs have terribad dmg if they dont crit

[forumaccount]

14/32 gs is not end game gs for wa, u would be talking about 80 dmg forc, which realistically would cost about as much if not less than 2 14 amp weaps for an fs, not to mention it would be easier to + than 2 fs weaps. with that in mind, wa wins majority

[yomo]

lol spur said to compare a 14/32 forc so heres the stats bro

FS
45 cd from buff, 20 base, 40 helm, 31 rings, 10 from board, 10 from ammy=156

WA
32 from gs, 20 base, 40 helm, 21 rings, 10 from board, 10 from ammy= 133

[yomo]

@forumacc

we're comparing equally geared chars without sehh, that becomes too complicated

[yomo]

for the rest of you ppl viewing this thread, please read the first post >.<

[forumaccount]

ya and im saying taking in account cost, u can buy 80 dmg forc for the price of 2 14 amp weaps, or are we not taking that into acc here and flinging gg gears for the fs and not the wa? i smell bias

[SheEvil1]

lol...wa has like 600 more hp than fs

wa's have higher attack because they dont have to use an xtal, so wa=WAY higher using the same wep grades not to mention soul blade

cd fs does have more

amp lol??? using the same weps both classes have the same amp...

def fs has more but not much more


lets not forget wa's shorts...almost 6k hp with bloody and panic...fs has mb and aod but in aod theyre useless..stand outta range. wa+bloody+panic vs fs in mb...fs gets 1 shot ez

since when Wa has 600 hp more than FS lol
i have 4.2 k hp at 180 so darkD suppose to has 4.7k hp? (not counting title)
and everybody know Wa cant use AMP GS , therefore their amp gonna be lower than FS
even with 80 DMG GS, wa wont get more crit dmg than FS
base attack: most of the wa using osm grade and redosm while FS using 2x forcy wepons so i would say the same
and FS has 100 def than a WA, thats not litle, and remember 100 def> 400 hp
and FS's new skill > wa's new skill big time...

[ZEPR0]

lets also keep in mind that FS crits alot than WA
more crits = Great chances of winning

[yomo]

actually wula, you got 4.2k hp with HR12 and dark has 4.7 with HR16, therefore, WA only have 300ish more hp than FS

[yomo]

ya and im saying taking in account cost, u can buy 80 dmg forc for the price of 2 14 amp weaps, or are we not taking that into acc here and flinging gg gears for the fs and not the wa? i smell bias

we're comparing cost, we're comparing which class would win more often in a pvp with "equal" gears

[Spur]

lol spur said to compare a 14/32 forc so heres the stats bro

FS
45 cd from buff, 20 base, 40 helm, 31 rings, 10 from board, 10 from ammy=156

WA
32 from gs, 20 base, 40 helm, 21 rings, 10 from board, 10 from ammy= 133

this is how i see it.
WA
rate = 45
cd = 132
amp = 65
atk = 1250
def = 1200
hp = 4800?

FS
rate = 53
cd = 155
amp = 79
atk = 1100
def = 1300
hp = 4200?

so in the end its 8rate 22cd 14amp 100def vs 150atk 600hp sry im going for the WA

[yomo]

LOL how does the WA have 4800 and FS have 4200?

we all know that below 50 rate = huge disadvantage

[elvie]

wa does not have 600 more hp. And, 45 rate vs 14 + honor rank = wa lose 75% the time.

[forumaccount]

lets also keep in mind that FS crits alot than WA
more crits = Great chances of winning

wat is with u and ur idea that fs always crits more often than wa? a fully geared wa can have as much cr as any fs, unless fs magically has a buff that increases max crit rate


we're comparing cost, we're comparing which class would win more often in a pvp with "equal" gears

equal cost is pretty much saying equal gear isnt it? in my books dual 14 amp weaps for fs gives about the same benefit to fs as 80 dmg weap gives a wa

[yomo]

how the hell does equal gear= equal cost? wizards need to spent like 3x more alz to do just decent in pvp against other classes...

[yomo]

by the way, who are you in-game? just curious

[otice1]

Going to point out that an fs using SG-SS-SB will always win against that warriror assuming that 2 of those skills crit. The same cannot be said of a 3 skill combo for warrior, so the fs is more consistent.

[Spur]

we all know that below 50 rate = huge disadvantage

prove it. i dont wanna hear another one of ure theories where 50rate crits 2x more than 45rate


Going to point out that an fs using SG-SS-SB will always win against that warriror assuming that 2 of those skills crit. The same cannot be said of a 3 skill combo for warrior, so the fs is more consistent.

gonna point out that to crit 2 out of 3 u need a 66% chance to crit which u dont have so it cant be consistant

[ZEPR0]

wat is with u and ur idea that fs always crits more often than wa? a fully geared wa can have as much cr as any fs, unless fs magically has a buff that increases max crit rate



dude we're talkin about same gear
WTH read the first post

[yomo]

there's no way to prove it unless you actually get an FS with the gear you mentioned and pvp against a WA with the gear you mentioned 100 times

and besides lol, i'd rather bet on the guy with 100% and 50% added cd on their skills when they have 53 rate rather than the guy with average skills with 45 rate, just sayin'

[elvie]

45 rate vs 14+ hr = 42 rate

53 rate vs 19 hr = 45 rate

being a wa with 45 rate, i can tell you it's no where near enough for 1234 pvp.

[forumaccount]

how the hell does equal gear= equal cost? wizards need to spent like 3x more alz to do just decent in pvp against other classes...

ya and if ur considering end game material wiz costs just about as much as any fs/fb/bl, wats ur point? as for who i am, wat u gonna do find me to pk? ive got nothing to prove cuz i prefer to keep a low profile in game, it keeps ppl from knowing wat gear i have

[Spur]

there's no way to prove it unless you actually get an FS with the gear you mentioned and pvp against a WA with the gear you mentioned 100 times

and besides lol, i'd rather bet on the guy with 100% and 50% added cd on their skills when they have 53 rate rather than the guy with average skills with 45 rate, just sayin'

actually all u need is to plug all those numbers into last hours spreadsheet and itll tell u exactly which skills have the highest dps vs each other. compare them to each others hp and u will know on avg who will die first

[ZEPR0]

there's no way to prove it unless you actually get an FS with the gear you mentioned and pvp against a WA with the gear you mentioned 100 times

and besides lol, i'd rather bet on the guy with 100% and 50% added cd on their skills when they have 53 rate rather than the guy with average skills with 45 rate, just sayin'

Agreed
high rate> high attk

[Matrimoney]

so i guess nobody wants to talk about shorts =/

[yomo]

@Spur
lol you do that, but dont plug in the wrong numbers, like the 600 hp diff when it's actually 300

[yomo]

naw mat, if we were to add shorts, WA's would win, like i stated a few posts ago, we're comparing 1234 pvps

[Thundarr]

This thread is dumb. If your all gonna argue it should be for something serious. When Spurr and Lethal finally get together who will be the pitcher and who will be the catcher. I think they will just argue because they both want to be the catcher.

[elvie]

in 1234 pvp, aod > than all your short

[Chris7]

the retard level in this thread is quite high.

[Matrimoney]

in 1234 pvp, aod > than all your short

standing out of your range while in aod > you

[yomo]

whoops, 400 HP diff, my fault =P

[SheEvil1]

lets say this

100 def can cover for the missing 300 HP
but 100 attack cant cover for 14 amp 22 dmg + 8 rate+ 2 best skills in game SS and SG

[ZEPR0]

This thread is dumb. If your all gonna argue it should be for something serious. When Spurr and Lethal finally get together who will be the pitcher and who will be the catcher. I think they will just argue because they both want to be the catcher.

dude shut the hell up
forums are for arguements, opinions and other stuff

[elvie]

and here i thought we were talking about 1234 pvp.

[forumaccount]

ss and sg are only the best IF they crit, ss is by far the most pathetic comp skill if it doesnt
u can argue that they crit most of the time, but until u can pull up 100% cr sw>ss in overall dps with a faster cast time and more consistent dmg

[SheEvil1]

lol since when sw>ss in DPS when ure using SS as finisher

[yomo]

ur only comparing two skills, SG has one of the highest dps and the non crit ain't too shabby either

[forumaccount]

i already gave my justification, wheres yours? o wait u dont have one, like i said ss is crit or die, sw not so much

EDIT: fs cant use just ss and sg in a pvp vs a wa either, in terms of fillers im pretty sure wa has harder hitting ones than fs does

[Matrimoney]

lol since when sw>ss in DPS when ure using SS as finisher

lol...i dont even understand what youre trying to say...what point are you trying to make? ss has more dps because its only a finisher? uh...what?

[Lelouch]

WW as finisher > anything fs has, because they solely depend on sg or ss crit

[Matrimoney]

WW as finisher > anything fs has, because they solely depend on sg or ss crit

lol and wa's dont depend on sw/ww crit? riiiight...

[yomo]

lol? all classes rely on critting to win a 1234 pvp

[Lelouch]

lol and wa's dont depend on sw/ww crit? riiiight...

They don't I still hit hard enough with either of them non-crit to still win some times.

[SheEvil1]

u dont need SS crit all the time to win, either SG or SS crit is good enough for a win

[IaMaLive]

ur only comparing two skills, SG has one of the highest dps and the non crit ain't too shabby either

correct me if im wrong, but isn't lv18 sg stats better than lv18 qs? too lazy to check in class XD.

[yomo]

SG stats at L18:
AMP:95%
Add Atak: 1008
50% crit inc

[SheEvil1]

lol...i dont even understand what youre trying to say...what point are you trying to make? ss has more dps because its only a finisher? uh...what?

DPS is depend on how fast u cast ur skill, If ure using SS before SG it will decrease ur DPS,
so it has to be a finisher for best DPS combo

[ZEPR0]

They don't I still hit hard enough with either of them non-crit to still win some times.

I dont buy it pfft
CABAL is all about crit remember that

[forumaccount]

sg has better stats than practically every skill, but it has to be that way prolly cuz fs only have practical use in pvp, in pve fs is outdone by practically every other class

[Lelouch]

I dont buy it pfft
CABAL is all about crit remember that

I said sometimes..and that's because WAs got enough base to have noncrits do quite a hefty amount

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[Lelouch]

sg has better stats than practically every skill, but it has to be that way prolly cuz fs only have practical use in pvp, in pve fs is outdone by practically every other class

Aren't orange txt skills always stronger? correct me if I'm wrong

[yomo]

sg has better stats than practically every skill, but it has to be that way prolly cuz fs only have practical use in pvp, in pve fs is outdone by practically every other class

not really lol, FS is up there when it comes to boss solo's and in nation war we can hold our own

at the end of the day, it comes down to how well/effectively you play your class

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[ZEPR0]

sg has better stats than practically every skill, but it has to be that way prolly cuz fs only have practical use in pvp, in pve fs is outdone by practically every other class

dude your starting to get off the topic stick to pvp

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[yomo]

orange text skills dont apply in pvp

[BannedT_T]

mehh...couldnt get it big oh well

[Lelouch]

the area affect doesn't but aren't they still stronger overall for some reason..I coulda swore someone said it o.o

[ZEPR0]

Bump
CABAL is all about crit remember that
blue is way better than orange

[forumaccount]

last i checked war is basically a string of many pvps, so it doesnt count as pve. fs were basically made for war, aod any1?
until i see fs 4 bar pluma, its the only class i have yet to see one from, and i will still consider fs the worst if i do see one cuz it was the last class to manage one

ok enuf pve crap back to how fs's skill set was made for pvp

[Lelouch]

FS prob can do it, you just have to have rockstar like gear >..>

[forumaccount]

best ive seen fs manage is with 6 bars from an fs bringer in eu, so u cant rly say that fs has weak gear to justify y he cant 4bar, its prolly just the class

[yomo]

4 bar pluma ain't a prob, i can almost do it with my gears
wula could prolly solo it faster than a WA could as well...

[forumaccount]

saying fs would solo bosses faster than wa is like saying fs is a better pve class than wi, keep in mind wa was the 1st class documented to solo pluma, wi a close 2nd

[Matrimoney]

They don't I still hit hard enough with either of them non-crit to still win some times.

who the f are you pvping then? lvl 120's?

[ZEPR0]

last i checked war is basically a string of many pvps, so it doesnt count as pve. fs were basically made for war, aod any1?
until i see fs 4 bar pluma, its the only class i have yet to see one from, and i will still consider fs the worst if i do see one cuz it was the last class to manage one

ok enuf pve crap back to how fs's skill set was made for pvp

Who cares about soloing bosses
Nwar war is more important than that
and you said it your self FS > WA in Nwar

[Lelouch]

who the f are you pvping then? lvl 120's?

err..160s? I'm sorry I don't go around asking the Top of the top to pvp and end up slaughter meat?

[Chris7]

@ yomo

no.. that's a little on the overestimating side lol.

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lol...you only won because super was trying to 2 shot u with ss/sg and didnt crit either u know

[BannedT_T]

lol...you only won because super was trying to 2 shot u with ss/sg and didnt crit either u know


umm u ma nig/ga but not true...we had full pvp about 10 sec and neither of us were critting...i wouldnt lie just a game...and i dont play anymore just saying

[Chris7]

saying fs would solo bosses faster than wa is like saying fs is a better pve class than wi, keep in mind wa was the 1st class documented to solo pluma, wi a close 2nd

on which cabal server?..

[yomo]

@ yomo

no.. that's a little on the overestimating side lol.

maybe ur right, but 4 barring pluma on a FS isn't impossible nor do you need rockstar-like gear to do it

[forumaccount]

Who cares about soloing bosses
Nwar war is more important than that
and you said it your self FS > WA in Nwar

i do admit fs was made for war, but war doesnt roll in the alz does it? sorry i build myself for pve cuz its how ur supposed to earn ur money by

[forumaccount]

on which cabal server?..

dont remember, 1st pluma solo i remember was a wa in eu i think, like 1 or 2 days later a wi one pops up

[Chris7]

dont remember, 1st pluma solo i remember was a wa in eu i think, like 1 or 2 days later a wi one pops up

probly was eu.

but imo wizard has the edge on warrior overall in pve.
you have to understand that for a warrior to even compete with a wizard's dps, it has to be in bloody spirit which obviously isn't always possible depending on the area the warrior happens to be in.

[forumaccount]

the wa used a reflex pot instead of sharp pot to stay in bloody the entire bm2, thats all i remember. wa is about equal to wiz for soloing bosses if u can keep bloody on the whole time, which u can certainly do against pluma given the proper circumstances

[Chris7]

that's easy though.. and I know I mean.. im darrkd

*wizards don't or shouldn't even need pots for survivabilty

but for example a wizard would take a dump on a warrior in ca5 for example. see what im sayinggggg?

[forumaccount]

was just pointing out that wa can solo pluma about as well as wi can, and that saying fs is better than wa at soloing pluma is, well......

[Chris7]

yeah I see what you mean about wa > fs pve. but for a wa/wiz comparison... I have to give even the slightest edge to wiz.


another scenario on pluma would be no pots and no deaths(odd circles)

meaning pluma would not die in one bm and on the second session of bm warrior's dps would be a joke compared to the equivalent wizard. no panic or bloody.. or any shorts for the warrior period.



BACK TO FS TALK GOGOGO

[Spur]

http://i54.tinypic.com/11w3v2x.jpg

heres the chart with those stats. if u think u can change the combo on either side to finish off the other player then go ahead

[Captaintyingknots]

So are the FS and WA using the same weapons? or is it current times with FS using forcy weapons and WA's with 80 dmg osm.

[Lelouch]

What lvl are those moves spur? the main ones o.o

[Spur]

everythings lvl 20. items used on 1st page

[megablast1]

yes fs can use Forcy GS and wear WA only gear

[Registering]

but for example a wizard would take a dump on a warrior in ca5 for example. see what im sayinggggg?

What about in sod/ft1/dx dungeons?
* Note: No unlimited SP, just enough to keep running the place until you get bored and no GPS warping to party randoms between runs.

[IVSaKeN]

FS

[Chris7]

What about in sod/ft1/dx dungeons?
* Note: No unlimited SP, just enough to keep running the place until you get bored and no GPS warping to party randoms between runs.

what lol.

you're going from a endgame solo area to a dungeon scenario in which lv 130s can begin soloing.. if you are asking about those lower level dungeons and going to compare wi vs wa, it varies

180 wa vs 180 wi (sod/ft1/dx) = about on par given the warrior is using bloody spirit efficiently.

130 wa vs 130 wi (sod/ft1/dx) = most likely same outcome as 180 wa vs 180 wi in ca5 where the wiz has the edge.

breaking crap down for ppl isn't my usual thing I hope you get the idea of what im saying overall :s

[Registering]

Yeah I get what you're saying. Basically I'm torn between a WI and WA. I have a 151 WI already but I was going to re-roll and get a full weod setup for one of the 2 classes. Was looking to find the class (between those 2 only) who perform the best in solo/duo dungeon and boss running.

I think it's safe to say both classes can do well in the NW.

[Chris7]

omg double post.

but yeah both do well in nw.

[Chris7]

depends on what you want to be a part of once you're 170-180.
likeee I mean both classes have potential to do great things in dungeons and tank. depends on the difficulty of exactly what you are doing..
give me some examples of what dungeons/bosses/activites u wanna involve your char in and I'll try to help and give advice on the pros and cons of each class..

I want pizza hut.

[Registering]

I guess my goal would be to get to 160-170:

1. Be able to run sod/ft1/dx dungeons solo as fast as possible without needing to party people for SP between runs and still be able to run it fast (I guess 1-2 bars per run at the most?).
2. Be useful in a duo/trio for the harder dungeons (ic1/2/aos1/2/ft2/etc.).
3. Be able to kill derk/rota/quadra efficiently. Pluma is whatever, it'll be a long time until I can afford forcy amp armors.
4. Be able to solo (if possible?) the new CA because the miracle keys will eventually be used up yeah?
5. Not be a gimp in the NW. I probably won't go crazy here, just get rank 11 and then maybe join once in a while for fun.

Maybe level past 170 slowly, etc.. Pizza hut doesn't sound too bad.

Edit:
To me being able to run a dungeon in 12 minutes instead of 14 minutes would be a big deal. Enough where if I were to level to 160+ and find out a different class can do it in less with the same gear I would probably re-roll.

[Chris7]

eh id say go with wizard.. overall they have one of the greatest potentials in pve and dungeon running. plus you won't have to worry about finding a wizard when running a dungeon in a party :D

yeah.. wizard for sure. if I had another chance, that's what I'd be

[Registering]

Yeah not having to find a WI for duos is a pretty nice perk and maybe down the line buying a voucher every month for GPS would be reasonable.

So if both classes were ultra decked out with weod weaps and CD/amp the WI would still run those dungeons faster over time without spamming 5 bars of SP per run?

[Chris7]

most likely yeah.. wizards have high nature dps + the best mobility. pretty sure a wizards what you're looking for.

[forumaccount]

sumtimes i wish i was wi too, chasing down ppl in war as a wa is a real b.itch, not to mention wi is much better with a lw and it su.cks ass to get rooted and combo breaks cuz i dont have enuf ranged skills

[Registering]

I just remember partying with random WAs (like blondinet) with unknown gear and looking at the bosses HP in a place like eod2 and thought to myself "wtf". Like, that whirlwind skill when it crits does the most insane damage ever. It probably did the same damage as my WI in BM2 doing a full bar's worth of skills.

Also I remember a crazy WA in weod who took away like 30% of a bosses HP in 1 WW. It felt like the WA did literally 5x my DPS at the time (I had total newbie gear on and he had full 7% amp armors and some +7 non-perfect gs).

I noticed mobility seems to become less and less useful as the dungeons get more difficult and also becomes a non-issue when partying since you would have to wait for everyone to catch up. At that point DPS/damage becomes more useful than mobility. Sure blink is amazing for LID and maybe EoD but I recall hearing/seeing FAs who can wipe the floor with a WI's dungeon times in sod or above.

[Chris7]

just be a wizard lol. that's all I can say

[Registering]

Would you still pick a WI if FA is also an option?

I was hesitant to go back to my 140 FA (first character) because it requires like 1.2b minimum for 2x +8 amp forcy orbs to not be total garbage.

Who would win in this setup @ level 170 for the above scenarios between an FA and WI?

WI: 2x +12 7/40 Pher Orbs, 48% CR, 205% CD, 36-42% AMP
[cost: 1b to reach 42% amp everything else is essentially free, not counting upgrade costs to +12 for 2 weaps]

FA: 2x +8 7% M.Amp Orbs, 45% CR, 85-101% CD, 54% AMP
[cost: 1.2b for the orbs and 1b to go from 85% to 101% CD]

The FA can still improve by getting +11 orbs eventually, and probably can get 50% more CD eventually but the cost for the 50% extra CD is just ridiculously unrealistic.

[Chris7]

wizard. lol

[Eevon3]

wiz ftw

[Spur]

Would you still pick a WI if FA is also an option?

I was hesitant to go back to my 140 FA (first character) because it requires like 1.2b minimum for 2x +8 amp forcy orbs to not be total garbage.

Who would win in this setup @ level 170 for the above scenarios between an FA and WI?

WI: 2x +12 7/40 Pher Orbs, 48% CR, 205% CD, 36-42% AMP
[cost: 1b to reach 42% amp everything else is essentially free, not counting upgrade costs to +12 for 2 weaps]

FA: 2x +8 7% M.Amp Orbs, 45% CR, 85-101% CD, 54% AMP
[cost: 1.2b for the orbs and 1b to go from 85% to 101% CD]

The FA can still improve by getting +11 orbs eventually, and probably can get 50% more CD eventually but the cost for the 50% extra CD is just ridiculously unrealistic.

lol good luck

[Registering]

Not just that but you also need a 7/40 helm to hit that CR/CD (3 dmg rings) lol.

The +12 scares me a little but if you brute force enough ucm/enhanced cores it'll goto +12 eventually. It's getting the orbs that I fear. +10 would also be very respectable until you had a lot of alz saved up to go into an upgrading frenzy.

+12 Pher is basically a +6 7/40 Topaz or I guess a +9 7/40 Lapis after factoring in a loss of 6 damage from dex while still allocating enough dex for forcium armor. I'm guessing it would give similar damage to a +9ish 7/34 Topaz.