Rota Hunting - what am I doing wrong ?

[forumtwizzler]

I assume that the 90% of you can kill rota without a hiccup. I am 164. My defense is around 820. I got a bike recently both slots are empty and i plan on extending it some day to +60m atk. By 180 I expect 16 x 5 x 0.3 + (5 + 5) [ level up] = 34 m atk. Plus my siggy cry is around +8 ... by +11 I am assuming it to go up another 15 m atk or so. 60 + 34 + 15 = 109 m atk

1. Is it really that I should have gone for a forcium orb instead of a 7 amp 24 cd cry ?

Of course I was able to finish it off, but it took me 4 bars in bm2. Mainly my problem is 820 def, I die while try to tank - so I have to heal every 2 hit the rota makes. I don't think I am lacking any dps ... or am I ? I am using 2x vamp ear +5 and 3% hp steal.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt8/chistiya/Cabal120313-0446-Ver281-0000.jpg


What do you think ?

Current setup :

40/7 helm, 40/7 orb +15, 24/7 amp + 8 cry, 10% amp glove, 10 m atk 1 % amp 2% cd pet, 1x ros10 and 3x ros9 (will need to buy some cr2 later). No alz atm to + cry or buy cr2.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt8/chistiya/gearsetup.jpg

Is this a bad setup ?

How would you improve my gear set and why ? I already have a feedback from Cathy who is saying to drop the cry and go forcium orb m amp +11 / 12 as the next improvement.

[xvxURIZENxvx]

challenge completed,rota is dead,gj

[Sprite]

pve wise forc amp would help a ton more

[chainlock]

Are you using crit shot or shadow shot to slow his attacks? Are you making sure to target 2 things at the same time instead of just rota?

3/20 forci and 7/24 sig are going to be pretty similar for bm2, your gear is ok.

[forumtwizzler]

@ sprites watch Cathy's video. amazing. he kills it in 2 bars with 830 def. his crit go 1k+ and non around 400. But my m atk still has to go +106 at least by 180 and I don't have money to buy cr2 atm. just out of the dps he is vamping up.I semi- like his build but differ in opinion that forcium orbs are the way to go. This is why I will do this alter build. Still a lot to go ... but I would have thought the FA to do a little better than this. only problem is probably high dungeon with osm fa builds. I want a crit siggy dmg kind of build, with an osm - tg def , 3 slot bike + ros10 to give def, different than Cathy's build.

@chainlock I am not using crit or shadow shot; just doing it one, I wanted to test if I could vamp enough with the current setup. The answer is no. So the experiment wasn't successful. 4 bars is too much. If it did, I would be more confident by 180 with say another 106 m atk I could do a QUADRA in bm2. Like I said my bike has empty slots and my siggy cry is still +8, plus 16 level difference 2 level up, a lot of dmg is missing. I hope it's okay.

[Cathy]

I assume that the 90% of you can kill rota without a hiccup. I am 164. My defense is around 820. I got a bike recently both slots are empty and i plan on extending it some day to +60m atk. By 180 I expect 16 x 5 x 0.3 + (5 + 5) [ level up] = 34 m atk. Plus my siggy cry is around +8 ... by +11 I am assuming it to go up another 15 m atk or so. 60 + 34 + 15 = 109 m atk

1. Is it really that I should have gone for a forcium orb instead of a 7 amp 24 cd cry ?

Of course I was able to finish it off, but it took me 4 bars in bm2. Mainly my problem is 820 def, I die while try to tank - so I have to heal every 2 hit the rota makes. I don't think I am lacking any dps ... or am I ? I am using 2x vamp ear +5 and 3% hp steal.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt8/chistiya/Cabal120313-0446-Ver281-0000.jpg


What do you think ?

Current setup :

40/7 helm, 40/7 orb +15, 24/7 amp + 8 cry, 10% amp glove, 10 m atk 1 % amp 2% cd pet, 1x ros10 and 3x ros9 (will need to buy some cr2 later). No alz atm to + cry or buy cr2.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt8/chistiya/gearsetup.jpg

Is this a bad setup ?

How would you improve my gear set and why ? I already have a feedback from Cathy who is saying to drop the cry and go forcium orb m amp +11 / 12 as the next improvement.

I never said to get a forci 7 amp orb specifically. I said to get a forci, period.

[chainlock]

You could gain an improvement using a 7amp 20 damage helm in bm2, I can't quite tell from your screen shot but it looks like you're level 164? Are you using 4 crits rings in bm/aura with aos on?

You should NEVER heal yourself with the skills, that is a lot of damage you lose. If you don't have enough % steal for how hard you hit use more.

You will gain massive improvements in bm2 damage with each rank up.

[forumtwizzler]

@cathy I don't agree with you ... Let me find my own way in this. And it might be what you said and it might be different. My theory is if there is a high enough base, cd will have an impact. If I remember correctly the formula is something close to

[(amp x atk - def) /4 ] x cd on crit and [ (amp x atk - def) /4 ] on base

my theory is amp will do well vs high def. but once you surpass that, to say 1100 atk cd will have a bigger impact. I am missing at least, 106 m atk and 3 cr2. I brought this to forum so I can get a few more ideas. Reason is empty bike slots, and 34 m atk from level up , the siggy cry can go to +11 from +8 realistically by 180

Also my other theory is bm3 will favor cd type setup I have where as amp will favor bm2. I don't have bm3 yet.

@chainlock - my gear is listed. my helmet is 40 cd 7 rate, my orb is 40 cd 7 rate + 15, my cry is 24 cd 7 amp + 8 :( boo boo. my level is 164. I am using 2 slot empty bike and 3 x ros9 and 1 ros 10. And I used AOS , bottom right, its on cool down. my def is 820.

[Cathy]

@cathy I don't agree with you ... Let me find my own way in this. And it might be what you said and it might be different. My theory is if there is a high enough base, cd will have an impact. If I remember correctly the formula is something close to

[(amp x atk - def) /4 ] x cd on crit and [ (amp x atk - def) /4 ] on base

my theory is amp will do well vs high def. but once you surpass that, to say 1100 atk cd will have a bigger impact. I am missing at least, 106 m atk and 3 cr2. I brought this to forum so I can get a few more ideas. Reason is empty bike slots, and 34 m atk from level up , the siggy cry can go to +11 from +8 realistically by 180

Also my other theory is bm3 will favor cd type setup I have where as amp will favor bm2. I don't have bm3 yet.

@chainlock - my gear is listed. my helmet is 40 cd 7 rate, my orb is 40 cd 7 rate + 15, my cry is 24 cd 7 amp + 8 :( boo boo. my level is 164.
I am using 2 slot empty bike and 3 x ros9 and 1 ros 10. And I used AOS , bottom right, its on cool down.

my def is 820.

I've never denied this. And I said to get a forci before you got the sig xtal. If you have a bind xtal already, make due with what you got.

http://forum.cabal.com/showthread.php?29652-Amp-on-FA-explanation&p=320477&viewfull=1#post320477


That would depend on how much amp to crit dmg you are comparing. In a 1:2 ratio, amp is almost always better than crit dmg (a 5 amp craft is superior to a 10 cd craft), but if you push that cd higher, lets say 7 amp:16 cd, then that would depend on the rest of your stats.

But for a lower level FA who doesn't have access to good epaulets or bracelets, orbs with 7 amp are not bad to use. Using all crit dmg orbs, would let their amp fall pretty low (sub-50), while they already gain a large amount of crit dmg from aura and our transcender buff.

Other classes have amp/base transcender buffs which allow their noncrits to hit high, so their crits can be x3 higher if they have 200 crit dmg. But for an FA who can gain 100 crit dmg in aos, they need to ensure that their noncrits are high enough for that x3 to count, which is why low level FA's are particularly poor for hitting high defense targets.

I would say in the case of a lower level FA without good epaulets or bracelets, choose 7 amp over 16 cd, and the other way around (in terms of combo and bm3) for a better geared FA who can maintain 1150+ m.attack and 60 amp, without using amp on orbs.

[forumtwizzler]

Found the link , this is by a very famous blader a long time ago called ionescel

http://cabal.mmosite.com/content/2008-07-28/20080728004048521.shtml

I forgot how the damage works, going to read it in the morning. Cathy, going to read your post tomorrow, my eyes are falling off - office in the morning. <3 ya man.

[chainlock]

You will want a k-red, it'll add a lot of damage, not quite enough for you to 2 bar unelss you get lucky. Are you using defense down debuff? 3% vamp might not be enough to leech the max back each hit, if you can extend and get some in your gloves or learn the rune that'll help. The main problem I see with you not being able to 2 bar is your level. 7/20 helm would increase damage by a small amount, +ing that other orb would too, but neither would help as much as the 170 rank.

BM3 does favor crit damage btw, by a lot.

[MamaMiaYoe]

need to lvl more... 162 not enuf yet.

[ErrorCode6]

get bm3 and you will be t4 bringer lol

[Muramasa]

low lvl ? dmg reduction from ur low lvl maybe?

[Teru]

oh dang u really did buy that helmet for 300usd.

[F7AngeL]

I want that orb!..

[forumtwizzler]

I read everyone's messages and thanks for the feedback. Let me level up a bit and move a few items to the next level. I have learned quite a lot from everyone and I am sure I will need your help in the future as well. Some of them include :

1. Using shadow / critical shot to slow down rota
2. Ability to place yourself correctly in the mob to vamp instead of tanking the rota directly too much.
3. The importance of a high base in bm2 to vamp the damage.
4. Importance of leveling up, has a high impact o FA, lower level has damage reduction.
5. Correct way to evaluate damage
6. BM3 favors critical damage over high amp / atk

Let me level up and plus the items, and hopefully I can post some nice vids !

[MamaMiaYoe]

Just post your queries here and we'll try to answer them to the best of our knowlege. ;)

[StereoHeart]

hi guys.. i got something related on this topic. is that normal can kill rota in single bm2 for FA lvl 180?

[chainlock]

hi guys.. i got something related on this topic. is that normal can kill rota in single bm2 for FA lvl 180?

In bm2 with 1 bar? Most FA can't.

[Djay]

dude fuk bm2, get bm3 ... with those weapons u can wreck anything with 1 bar

[StereoHeart]

In bm2 with 1 bar? Most FA can't.

owh man...... i just get my bm3... ROTA dead and my single BM3 left 20 sec...

holy syit!!!!!!! bm3 imba!!!!!!

[Cathy]

owh man...... i just get my bm3... ROTA dead and my single BM3 left 20 sec...

holy syit!!!!!!! bm3 imba!!!!!!

So you kill a rota in 70 seconds? Sorry, WA have been doing that for a year now :cool:

[SouthWind]

So you kill a rota in 70 seconds? Sorry, WA have been doing that for a year now :cool:f.ag.got f.a.g.got
i made a song for u its called ur a fa .g.got

[SemiAutoMatic]

f.ag.got f.a.g.got
i made a song for u its called ur a fa .g.got
You mad your 2 shot material for Cathy? I think so.

[SouthWind]

You mad your 2 shot material for Cathy? I think so.implying i give a f.c.k if my toon dies

[SemiAutoMatic]

implying i give a f.c.k if my toon dies
OK, so your not even here to try to get your char better, you just wanna be here to flame people. wow man getalife.

[SouthWind]

make my char better? man w.t.f u talking bout as if im gonna bother with that .

[Andrea]

2 bars (bm2 extend w/ aura)

All bases
def 865-900
cd 186
cr 47
def rate 2.5k
attk rate 2.5k (so u wont miss often on bm2)
attk 1050
3% hp steal
97 hp steal per hit

pot up
amp 55

and all your inherent buffs and debuffs + retarget

Edit: dang, i didnt see the class thread lol, fa...man, since when did u turn FA lol, thought u still have your fs. anyway, i have no idea lol...the fa still 2 bars penna 'cuz its cd built. if it's loaded with mamps, i guess the guns would be faster.

[forumtwizzler]

Andrea, no I quit FS two years ago. In fact I thought I was done with Cabal. Got married ... then I got a divorce; very sad. So I wanted to come back to Cabal to keep my mind off of things.

Back then , I gave all my gears to chaosomega, before quitting. Three weeks back he messaged me saying he quit cabal, and gave me his character. I was just goofing round my msn. To sum it up, he used my forcium amp glove suit and the siggy boots , the weapons , crs etc to gear up his FA. So he gave me the char instead, xferred.

I still have a lot to learn. Right now I look at myself as under training and novice. Thanks to some good people here on the forum I was fortunate enough to reshape the right gear choices and better my FA game play.

[StereoHeart]

Andrea, no I quit FS two years ago. In fact I thought I was done with Cabal. Got married ... then I got a divorce; very sad. So I wanted to come back to Cabal to keep my mind off of things.

Back then , I gave all my gears to chaosomega, before quitting. Three weeks back he messaged me saying he quit cabal, and gave me his character. I was just goofing round my msn. To sum it up, he used my forcium amp glove suit and the siggy boots , the weapons , crs etc to gear up his FA. So he gave me the char instead, xferred.

I still have a lot to learn. Right now I look at myself as under training and novice. Thanks to some good people here on the forum I was fortunate enough to reshape the right gear choices and better my FA game play.

intrested on your story.. married and devorce... so easy??

[Syth]

I read everyone's messages and thanks for the feedback. Let me level up a bit and move a few items to the next level. I have learned quite a lot from everyone and I am sure I will need your help in the future as well. Some of them include :

1. Using shadow / critical shot to slow down rota
2. Ability to place yourself correctly in the mob to vamp instead of tanking the rota directly too much.
3. The importance of a high base in bm2 to vamp the damage.
4. Importance of leveling up, has a high impact o FA, lower level has damage reduction.
5. Correct way to evaluate damage
6. BM3 favors critical damage over high amp / atk

Let me level up and plus the items, and hopefully I can post some nice vids !

ur sig orb +15 is just epic,just get a kred and forcy orb 20/3 and +11 it minimum,it will be better than ur sig24/7.other than that ur good.(but if u can go for higher def aka forcy go for it).

[forumtwizzler]

ur sig orb +15 is just epic,just get a kred and forcy orb 20/3 and +11 it minimum,it will be better than ur sig24/7.other than that ur good.(but if u can go for higher def aka forcy go for it).

Syth, that would give me a rate of 53% without having to use a second rate ring. And for AOS + Aura, I can take out the Kel. Ring (16% rate) and replace with CR2 or higher. That much is true. However I put some thought to it.

7 helmet , 7 orb , 11 FA buff, 5 base, 16 ring (w/o aura aos) = 46 <= CONSIDER 46 as the root point

Your suggestion : 1 + 3 (orb) + 3 (board) + 46 = 53% Sound great ! But this is what bothers me :

1. If you use a 3 slot bike you can raise the base by 60. In my opinion much needed, specially in nation war where people are constantly going bm2 / bm3 at the moment. And starting from 11 to 15 it gives 68 to 98 defense.

I think, 60 m atk + 68-98 def > 10% cd 5% amp 3% rate - just my opinion.

2. Nation war, approaching HNR 19 and above in the long run is 7- 10 % resist rate. These are the two things that bother me.

So here are the three options :

Option A : Two rate rings

Compromise 15-17% cd but gain 61% rate. Pushing the max rate around 60 and go for another rol2. And during aos + aura just switch both rings with cr2/3 (in the long run) : Max rate from : 3% aop 3% rune 3% pet 2% bracelet.

46 + 15 = 61%. Or AOS + Aura replace BOTH rings with cr2/3.

Option B : Find another 7/40 or 7/7/24 Wep.

Compromise 14 m atk for going topaz instead of siggy. Find another + 15 , 7/40 orb in topaz. I have seen two others being sold, one in 24/7/7 topaz and other a 7/40 pherry +15. But the pherry has too low a base, loses 30 m atk. Topaz is more reasonable, losing 14 m atk at +15. So the solution is somehow come across another rate scroll someday and push a 2-3% rate on pet. 46 + 10 = 56. I can live with that in nation wars. Again AOS + Aura , switch the k. ring with cr2/ cr3. Right now I don't have any alz to buy anything else. But may be that can come someday.

46 + 7 + 2 pet = 55% rate, In AOS/ Aura replace kell. ring with cr2/3.

Option C : 4% rate 40m bike

Compromise 20 m atk, go for 40m atk 4% rate bike and 3% orb Bad for bm2 + aos for loss of 20 m atk. But still reasonable because in scenarios like nation war / dungeon you can save some sp by not going aura.

3 +1 rate orb , 3 pet, 4 bike. 46 + 4 + 4 + 3 = 57 and lose 20m atk. In AOS/ Aura replace kell ring with cr2/3.

Out of these the two rate ring sounds like the best option to me. I could be wrong and I have a hard time debating with myself on this. You can argue ... 2 rate ring ? Give up 15-17% cd ? To gain ... 20 m Atk and 5% rate plus the slot on pet taking max rate ? The counter argument to this is, AURA + AOS = this has the OPTION A has the strongest damage an an extra 5% rate can make a std graph behave like its crit. around 65%

I really don't know. I might copy and paste this polish it up, and open another topic. It's worth the debate and also benefit everyone from deciding how they should build their characters.

Okay let me open another topic. I think this is a different kind of debate. Please post there.

[forumtwizzler]

Since it may give everyone an idea of how they should build their rate : you may want to continue the topic here.

http://forum.cabal.com/showthread.php?30224-The-Ideal-Critical-Rate&p=324747