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I don't know if the recent post from these Viet players are affecting the GM's decisions (hopefully not) regarding the free eCoin issue, but I defenitely see the community being affected. Lets put it in a different perspective and possibly others can understand where I'm coming from (and a bunch who are too lazy to post on the forums :p)
So firstly, yes, I'm banned and no I'm not Viet, I'm American. There are a couple of things that seem unfair/stupid IMHO about these bannings and policies...
1) They are banning people for being rewarded for an offer that may not have been completely done by a player. Yes this includes the people who faked their information, but it also includes the people that DIDNT aswell. Well you might ask why wouldn't you complete an offer but enter valid information? If you've never done some of these offers, they sometimes claim they are free and you just have to do these 3 steps. The 1st is usually a survey (which some honest people, including myself, answer with TRUE information) then the 2nd is "Choose any 3 of these offers to go on to the 3rd step and receive your free eCoins!" and the offers listed require a purchase.... So obviously, most (98%) of the people won't want to purchase anything and exit out that offer. This brings me to my second point....
2) Aren't these free eCoin companies supposed to be professional companies? Apparently they are rewarding people who haven't completed the offer or even people who fake information. Although I can see the second one being hard to catch, rewarding people when they cancel the offer is a little unprofessional don't you think? I don't see how a player can get banned for being mis-rewarded (for a lack of a better word) when they can do nothing about it.
3) "Well when your mis-rewarded just contact the company?" Easier said then done, a lot of the offers I did completely I wasn't even rewarded for (like I said in early posts) so I had to look at almost every offer to try squeeze what I could out legitly. Sometimes I did the same offer a couple times (the download ones) until it finally rewarded me, which was really irritating. When you look at an offer, it goes in your history so I probably had like 50 or so offers per company in my eCoin refill history. Why am I going to keep track when I assumed that the company would be... If I knew not to assume that then I would have been more cautious.
Last point is not only Viet people are affected by this, but also a handful of legit players. I've been playing this game honestly and legitly for about over a year. I've been in TheSovereign, Tenacity, Serenity, and now DivineGaurdians for those of you who might remember me. Our clan leader in DivineGaurdians, who is apparently well known as being honest, friendly, and trustworthy, Kizaki/Kaz is also banned by this, along with a couple of other friends and guildmates...
Just my 2cents for the community and any GM's looking at this.
btw, sorry its so long...
Got into the essay writing mode last night; gotta love finals week.
Lucifer
05-09-2012, 12:12 PM
I can't believe I red all that >.> and lol I agree but yeaaa I bet someone will come and flame your whole essay sooner or later.
noobman
05-09-2012, 12:14 PM
money what est and gm love so they should just set a fee for all you to pay to get back no reason for perma ban that you cant get reversed we all remember some players that where dirty as sht and got unbanned. also i agree cabal has been much more dead just some advice to you gms your really in no position to keep lowering the player base many new games are out and comming out you have already failed on events with mass irriversible bans your really putting the nails in cabal.
haha oh well, hoping a GM would look at this and if anything possibly help their decision (which it probably wont)
just 6 mroe days baby... and if you dont know what im talking about... figure it out ^^
shutupson
05-09-2012, 04:40 PM
money what est and gm love so they should just set a fee for all you to pay to get back no reason for perma ban that you cant get reversed we all remember some players that where dirty as sht and got unbanned. also i agree cabal has been much more dead just some advice to you gms your really in no position to keep lowering the player base many new games are out and comming out you have already failed on events with mass irriversible bans your really putting the nails in cabal.
nice post you speak my mind, the games gone be dead is they keep doing shiz like this.
Berserk_Fury
05-09-2012, 05:30 PM
I disagree. Let me put it in a different perspective for you as well. Unfortunately this happens too often irl, but sometimes banks would transfer money into a wrong account. With this you might wake up one morning and instead of having $50 in your bank, suddenly you might have $100,000 (extreme example, I know people that got a wrong deposit of over $2,500 though). Now based on your logic, this isn't your fault, so you should be able to just take the money, and spend it on anything you like. But in reality when the bank recognizes the mistake (and they always do), they charge your account back. So now if you spent the $999,950 that weren't yours, your account will go into a negative, and you will be forced to repay the money one way or another.
Anyways, a game company can't force you to pay back the money lost, but they can ban your account. With the way they did it, I'm pretty sure that the "free offers" organizations discovered people abusing their system, then went back to EST soft, and took back the money they paid them in exchange for the offers you were supposed to complete. In this situation EST is in a very bad position, loosing money they thought they had, so you can't just say you're sorry or that it wasn't your fault, they wouldn't care.
Izumiia
05-09-2012, 06:11 PM
i didnt get banned for doing those offers, maybe some of you were abusing it and blocking some of those offers codes so it would finish tsktsk
I disagree. Let me put it in a different perspective for you as well. Unfortunately this happens too often irl, but sometimes banks would transfer money into a wrong account. With this you might wake up one morning and instead of having $50 in your bank, suddenly you might have $100,000 (extreme example, I know people that got a wrong deposit of over $2,500 though). Now based on your logic, this isn't your fault, so you should be able to just take the money, and spend it on anything you like. But in reality when the bank recognizes the mistake (and they always do), they charge your account back. So now if you spent the $999,950 that weren't yours, your account will go into a negative, and you will be forced to repay the money one way or another.
Anyways, a game company can't force you to pay back the money lost, but they can ban your account. With the way they did it, I'm pretty sure that the "free offers" organizations discovered people abusing their system, then went back to EST soft, and took back the money they paid them in exchange for the offers you were supposed to complete. In this situation EST is in a very bad position, loosing money they thought they had, so you can't just say you're sorry or that it wasn't your fault, they wouldn't care.
Well obviously you didn't earn that money... maybe if they misplaced 10-50 dollars it'd be a worthy example of using then you wouldnt notice a difference and might spend it. Like I said, if they actually rewarded you for everything you did then I would be able to keep track but they don't, and I made a wrong assumption to do so... Regardless this isn't that situation and even if I didnt spend those eCoins I still got banned... Its not like I have a negative balance on my eCoins, they could easily just charge the eCoins out of the account or give the account like a week to pay off your negative balance.
i didnt get banned for doing those offers, maybe some of you were abusing it and blocking some of those offers codes so it would finish tsktsk
I have no clue what that meant
And maybe you got lucky or maybe your still gonna get banned soon, it didn't happen in a day that we all did. So don't push your luck ^^
noobman
05-09-2012, 08:25 PM
berserk thats the thing though as apon already said they can give them all a chance to pay back some money irreversible perma ban makes no sense
Izumiia
05-09-2012, 10:52 PM
I have no clue what that meant
And maybe you got lucky or maybe your still gonna get banned soon, it didn't happen in a day that we all did. So don't push your luck ^^
last time i did free ecoin was around fall 2011, but its ok if i get banned, doesnt matter to me much ^-^
GEZ no one got my post about May 15th!?
oh well more fun for me I guess :P The world will still spin even if I don't get banned, s though since I just got my BM3 xD
Izumiia
05-10-2012, 12:27 AM
GEZ no one got my post about May 15th!?
oh well more fun for me I guess :P The world will still spin even if I don't get banned, s though since I just got my BM3 xD
ya you talk about that d3, but not everyone looking forward to it, guild wars 2 coming :D
what Ap0n said was what the Viet trying to say with their google translated english. Which is the reason why they get trolled alot, if they can type a neet essay like u do, then i might have been different. Now about the ecoin thing, u've only understood 1/2 of these services.
According to one of the admins of our Viet forum, the complex situations are the result of a service called support offer from the Payment OffersWall (SuperReward/PeanutLab..). There are situations when u have completed the offers but no ecoins are given to u. That's when you use this service. To be applicable for this service, you have to send an email or something which confirms that u have completed the offer to SuperReward/PeanutLab. Once SuperReward/PeanutLab recieved and confirm ur email, u get your ecoins.
Here is where the fraudulent activities come in. I don't know how but somehow people managed to trick SuperReward/peanut lab into believing that they have completed the offer but haven't recieved the ecoins. Once confirmed that u have completed the offers, SuperReward/PeanutLab will pay u the ecoins.
Remember that SuperReward/PeanutLab is just the place where offer providers put their offers. They're not responsible for paying u ecoins unless u use the service mentioned.
The final ecoins u received are not from the offer providers BUT from SuperReward/PeanutLab. After a while, SuperReward/PeanutLab will work with the offer providers to get their money back. When the offer provides refuse to pay SuperReward/PeanutLab their money, that's when the problem starts.
SuperReward/PeanutLab will then work will Est. about this issue, and of course we all knew the results.
btw, sorry its so long...
Got into the essay writing mode last night; gotta love finals week.
If everything u said are true, then i'm sorry that u got caught in this mess caused by a few individuals.
Valdoroth
05-19-2012, 07:04 AM
I personnally think alot of those free ecoin services are actualy where people get hacked from. Just saiyan. It's better to not try the free and jsut buy in game from the alz buyers (voucher sellers).
Instead of complaining that you got blocked from attempting risky free surveys, you should just not worry about it. There's plenty of ppl that make do in the game without e-coins.
[GM] Surreal
05-19-2012, 07:06 AM
As stated by GM Lorkan in the stickied thread in this section "If you have been blocked as a result of this investigation, and you have not exploited Free e-Coin offers, We strongly suggest submitting a help desk ticket. We will investigate your specific case, and if we are able to determine that the questionable Free e-Coin Offer activity is not fraudulent, your account will be unblocked immediately."
I know sorry if it seemed like I was complaining and not sending a ticket. (already sent 1)
I was just trying to get the opinions of a/the GM(s) about their take on the free eCoin companies and being banned for their mistakes. Also, if a better/fair punishment (if that even applies to innocent people -.-) should be just charging the eCoins to their account and giving them like a day to pay it off or something? (IDK :P)
Valdoroth
05-19-2012, 10:27 PM
I know sorry if it seemed like I was complaining and not sending a ticket. (already sent 1)
I was just trying to get the opinions of a/the GM(s) about their take on the free eCoin companies and being banned for their mistakes. Also, if a better/fair punishment (if that even applies to innocent people -.-) should be just charging the eCoins to their account and giving them like a day to pay it off or something? (IDK :P) That can't really work since this is a "Now" market. If it's not paid now, then no service is given. :) It's just one way the world works these days.