Which class would benefit the most?

[-Itachi Uchiha-]

So i have this 14 amp Sig orb +15 in my inventory and I can't decide whether to put it on my FS or my FB. So which class do y'all think would benefit the most from the orb?

EDIT: It's 7% All Skill Amp crafted with 7% S.Amp in slot, so 14 S.Amp/7 M.Amp/12 CDI when I extend it.

[Marth]

I vote FB!

[Davynelord]

I say FB because FS can get by with just about any orb or crystal....FS don't rely on the orb for any major part of thier build unless your a mFS or hFS...FB does actually benefit from the higher magic from an orb though when you go BM....but that's about it.

Overall though, it depends what kind of amp is on the weapon, sword, magic or all amp (and I assume none or no open slots too)....if the FS has high amp from other gear, I might consider using it on FS then with 14 amp....but not unless that 14 amp would push my total amp at or above 50...all classes BM is pretty much weak without high amp so yeah the amp would help either class...but the magic attack helps FB while the lower base sword attack would hurt FS more than FB...FB has debuffs to help it overcome lower base sword attack, FS don't have such luxury.

However, only you play your classes, which one do you feel needs it the most? Personally, I'd just make a WI or FA though and use it on them....

[Nozomi]

Why waste that beauty on a FS? Go for FB.

[Cathy]

The extra Amp will benefit the class that already has more Attack and Crit Dmg. Go FB.

[Berserk_Fury]

I'd say it's a crappy orb for fb...

[Nozomi]

I'd say it's a crappy orb for fb...
Why? Coupled with 40 dmg katana and helm you hardly find anything better. It's 14amp/12dmg vs 40 dmg, the difference is very small on crits, and those 14 amp will serve better than 28extra cd in almost any other situations (bm2, war, pvp). Also, having an orb like that he could easily switch from bof to full CD prideus, gaining mcr and magic for bm1.

[plzbuffme]

you shouldve just gone 7amp/20 dmg crystal and katana and it would have had been only short 12% cdi...

[Berserk_Fury]

Why? Coupled with 40 dmg katana and helm you hardly find anything better. It's 14amp/12dmg vs 40 dmg, the difference is very small on crits, and those 14 amp will serve better than 28extra cd in almost any other situations (bm2, war, pvp). Also, having an orb like that he could easily switch from bof to full CD prideus, gaining mcr and magic for bm1.

Because bm3 matters way more than bm1 and bm2, and crit dmg is way more important for bm3 than amp. I used to have a 7 amp 20 dmg helm, and recently switched to a 36 dmg, my dps went up by a whole lot.

[Cathy]

Because bm3 matters way more than bm1 and bm2, and crit dmg is way more important for bm3 than amp. I used to have a 7 amp 20 dmg helm, and recently switched to a 36 dmg, my dps went up by a whole lot.

in a 1:2 ratio (7:16 is not a 1:2 ratio) the difference will be almost nothing.

So imo, the orb is good.

[Berserk_Fury]

in a 1:2 ratio (7:16 is not a 1:2 ratio) the difference will be almost nothing.

So imo, the orb is good.

I just tried putting the numbers into the dmg calculator. Going with bm3 on manticore with all the synnergies, hl and enervation, using a 14 amp 12 dmg crystal/orb instead of a 40 dmg crystal/orb showed a drop of about 170 per hit of bm3.

[Cathy]

I just tried putting the numbers into the dmg calculator. Going with bm3 on manticore with all the synnergies, hl and enervation, using a 14 amp 12 dmg crystal/orb instead of a 40 dmg crystal/orb showed a drop of about 170 per hit of bm3.

And in war against a target with 18 resist rate? ;o

[Berserk_Fury]

And in war against a target with 18 resist rate? ;o

Just put that in. Without bm damage difference depends on the skill as expected (short skills hit harder with amp, long skills hit harder with CD) so that's a little hard to make a definitive answer. In bm3 the average dps is a lot higher with crit dmg on someone with 18% crit dmg, even if you don't have synnergies activated and no hard luck. BM2 damage average also higher with crit dmg.

[-Itachi Uchiha-]

So in the case of FB, I could just switch between the 14 amp orb and a sig 40 dmg xtal/orb (depending on the situation), right?

Any other FS's out there want to take part of this discussion?

[Bored]

So in the case of FB, I could just switch between the 14 amp orb and a sig 40 dmg xtal/orb (depending on the situation), right?

Any other FS's out there want to take part of this discussion?

I'd say it really doesn't matter. Either class with do well with it because it's basically a 40 damage once extended besides non crits which will be higher because of the amp. Seeing as its a char bind orb and it's gonna cost you another 1,8b to extend use on the char you use the most out of the 2.

[Berserk_Fury]

So in the case of FB, I could just switch between the 14 amp orb and a sig 40 dmg xtal/orb (depending on the situation), right?

Any other FS's out there want to take part of this discussion?

I'd just get a 40 dmg since it's better about 95% of the time.

[EvilAi]

with the alz to buy sig 40+14/12 sig orb, u can just get a 7/40 topaz/sig, problem solved.

[Berserk_Fury]

with the alz to buy sig 40+14/12 sig orb, u can just get a 7/40 topaz/sig, problem solved.

I never understood the point of spending extra for rate slot items on fb.

[EvilAi]

I never understood the point of spending extra for rate slot items on fb.
k 57~60 rate with leth+3rof10s/cr2s with just 7/40 helm+orb, sup?
p/s: rate depends on pet/kred/bikes u have

[-Itachi Uchiha-]

I bought the orb for 4b :/

[Cathy]

7Amp/40Cd is the way to go :cool:

[EvilAi]

7Amp/40Cd is the way to go :cool:
LOL i forgot that +1 XD

[Berserk_Fury]

k 57~60 rate with leth+3rof10s/cr2s with just 7/40 helm+orb, sup?
p/s: rate depends on pet/kred/bikes u have

If I got rid of my Killian ring and got a 40/7 helm I'll be missing 9% rate, where would I make it up from unless I had a rate slot weapon as well?

[Cathy]

If I got rid of my Killian ring and got a 40/7 helm I'll be missing 9% rate, where would I make it up from unless I had a rate slot weapon as well?


k 57~60 rate with leth+3rof10s/cr2s with just 7/40 helm+orb, sup?
p/s: rate depends on pet/kred/bikes u have

o.o

but personally imo a Killian+3 damage rings build (with 7 amp in slot in place of 7 rate on helm/weapons) is a superior build (but ofc the amp is much more difficult to achieve) since killian gives stats other than rate, as well as allowing you to swap in a damage ring when you go aura.

[EvilAi]

If I got rid of my Killian ring and got a 40/7 helm I'll be missing 9% rate, where would I make it up from unless I had a rate slot weapon as well?
buffs = 35% rate+ 5% base+kred 3%+7 from helm = 50 rate, if u had 7/40 isay orb/crystal cuz u need forcy high + blade/kat more would be like 57 rate.
If u had rate from pet would be perfect, i say 3 rate/3+amp pet. since u can get max rate from suit out of this event.(im too broke for that :()
@ Cathy: nig, im not that rich :(

[Berserk_Fury]

buffs = 35% rate+ 5% base+kred 3%+7 from helm = 50 rate, if u had 7/40 isay orb/crystal cuz u need forcy high + blade/kat more would be like 57 rate.
If u had rate from pet would be perfect, i say 3 rate/3+amp pet. since u can get max rate from suit out of this event.(im too broke for that :()
@ Cathy: nig, im not that rich :(

Sry, I didn't see you say rate slot orb. Yeah I guess that build would be really nice, but the price of 2 rate slot items is too much for me I guess, so I'll just settle with my killian ring.

[Sprite]

I use a ring of luck+1 with 3 damage rings and have 58 rate guys. No rate in weaps sadface

[EvilAi]

Sry, I didn't see you say rate slot orb. Yeah I guess that build would be really nice, but the price of 2 rate slot items is too much for me I guess, so I'll just settle with my killian ring.
but i guess still cheaper than 7amp/40cdi since Dromar offer 30b on amp scroll lol

[modem]

id say extract that shyt

[KonaKona]

I think FB responds better with CD than amp but nevertheless, that orb will do a lot of damage. The problem is with the stats: FB has enough DEX to cover the stat requirements, while with FS, you have to get a huge chunk out of STR to put in DEX (and FS is a STR build, unless you are mFS). Also, the higher grade the crystal or orb is, the more def you get for FS (so forcy gives the highest additional def). I think more amp benefits an FS more because it has low base so the average damage when you add crits and no-crits are higher. An FS doesn't have a problem with damage when it crits, however it does have a huge problem with non crits.