quick question plz

[imback]

is there any damage reduce hack around? cuz this look weird on me n i cant figure out . if any pro there can explain to me.

here is wat happen. today in ch20 i was playing with a 108 lvl proc blader. someone told me hes name is fasma something like that.
my LS skill crit him 45x each onli. but my LS crit on a 190 bl hr20 with fully gear +11 or above fc. name kavmun something . i crit him 469 each. so it seens the 108 lvl blader tank more than a 190 bl hr20 n full gear? i cant understand this...hope someone can tell me wat happen here . @

[deathgate]

maybe he has a super epic bike....u know something like resist amp/crit dmg

[imback]

maybe he has a super epic bike....u know something like resist amp/crit dmg even assume he use epic resis dmg /amp bike. but still wotn tank more than 190 bl hr20 with +11 fc or above gear. the lvl + defnse +the resis dmg on hr20 is way more than just an bike...

[Mishon]

Could be the class rank hack, he's probably level 108 class rank 20 lol.

[deathgate]

Could be the class rank hack, he's probably level 108 class rank 20 lol.
i heard his hr 18 or something

[Sprite]

my lances on fasma (saw him in ch 1 yesterday) = 1.1k
my lances on another 190 bl = 900

his defense is certainly quite high, but i still crit 190s a lot less

[whitetrash]

my lances on fasma (saw him in ch 1 yesterday) = 1.1k
my lances on another 190 bl = 900

his defense is certainly quite high, but i still crit 190s a lot less

Forever ago they added the damage reduction via level gap that never seemed to work too well maybe since the rising force update they played with that more
I wouldnt know I have not played since then but it's a thought

[imback]

hes defense wont go any higher than a 190 bl with +11 fc set. hes onli 108. he cant wear forcium. no dorsing earring. no runes runes. those will cut alot defnse off him already...

[TeaParty]

hes defense wont go any higher than a 190 bl with +11 fc set. hes onli 108. he cant wear forcium. no dorsing earring. no runes runes. those will cut alot defnse off him already...
You never mentioned what gear FASMA was in. Since T2 people can wear craftman sig gear, if he had a full +15 set, it would be equivalent to a +11 forcy set. Bottom line is, his def can be up to par with a 190's; the only gap between the defense is the rank-ups. But even at that, the 109 can close that gap with a +15 rw3.

[imback]

You never mentioned what gear FASMA was in. Since T2 people can wear craftman sig gear, if he had a full +15 set, it would be equivalent to a +11 forcy set. Bottom line is, his def can be up to par with a 190's; the only gap between the defense is the rank-ups. But even at that, the 109 can close that gap with a +15 rw3. so let say he can have almost same defnse as a 190 bl with +11 fc no bike. but the lvl didnt make dmg any different right now?? n btw when i kill him i saw him on mystic. n i heard some ppl said he just wear full +15 mystic.

n the defnse different is not just onli the lvl gap rank up. the dorsing earing. defnse runes too.

[fusioncell]

might wanna get him scanned to see if he class rank hacked to get class rank 20, which would give him bonus of lvl 190

[TeaParty]

so let say he can have almost same defnse as a 190 bl with +11 fc no bike. but the lvl didnt make dmg any different right now?? n btw when i kill him i saw him on mystic. n i heard some ppl said he just wear full +15 mystic.

n the defnse different is not just onli the lvl gap rank up. the dorsing earing. defnse runes too.

Oh yeah, forgot about drosnin earrings. Mystic +15 is as much def as forcium +10 so eh...not that far off gear wise. As for the damage reduction, I'm not sure how it works anymore since they've changed it around quite a bit.

[Midgetchas14]

It all boils down to. How much oh his mommys Money he spent on cabal vs how much money you spent on cabal. this game used to be worth putting in any time not anymore so many kids buying alz/vouchers. buy vouchers cry less.

[whitetrash]

Sounds more like QQ this 108 outgears me ima cry on the forums QQ
Exactly the reason I'd go play in t2 and t3 when I was bored just to laugh at people crying lol

[imback]

Sounds more like QQ this 108 outgears me ima cry on the forums QQ
Exactly the reason I'd go play in t2 and t3 when I was bored just to laugh at people crying lol
im 190 lvl bl he barely does any dmg on me. all i wonder is how can he tank more than a 190 bl hr20. this is not QQ. i can kill him as fast as i want.... so plz get ur point cln....

[whitetrash]

You act like kav(worstnablader)maum is hard to kill or something lol

[imback]

hes not hard to kill. but he stil a 190 bl hr20 with +11 or above fc gear. n a 108 bl tank more than him. that thing il never understand....

[xvxURIZENxvx]

is there any damage reduce hack around? cuz this look weird on me n i cant figure out . if any pro there can explain to me.

here is wat happen. today in ch20 i was playing with a 108 lvl proc blader. someone told me hes name is fasma something like that.
my LS skill crit him 45x each onli. but my LS crit on a 190 bl hr20 with fully gear +11 or above fc. name kavmun something . i crit him 469 each. so it seens the 108 lvl blader tank more than a 190 bl hr20 n full gear? i cant understand this...hope someone can tell me wat happen here . @

And then you realized that a 108 can wear +15 craftsman sig-metal and still didn't comprehend that you were outclassed before the fight even started.

/endthread

[imback]

And then you realized that a 108 can wear +15 craftsman sig-metal and still didn't comprehend that you were outclassed before the fight even started.

/endthread huh? u guys cant even read wat the question is?let me re type again than. question is how can a 108 bl tank more than a 190 bl with hr20 n forcium set +11 or above...............

[fusioncell]

Sounds more like QQ this 108 outgears me ima cry on the forums QQ
Exactly the reason I'd go play in t2 and t3 when I was bored just to laugh at people crying lollol trashy dont talk like you were ever actually good at this game

[EmmersonLazaro]

His gears are craftsman mystic set all +15
I've seen it before

[whitetrash]

lol trashy dont talk like you were ever actually good at this game
You are right I'm terrible that's why I beat people that outleveled and outgear me
But it's cool my gear carried me thru this broken game

[Faowin]

He's really saying that he wants you to come back. The old failure of reverse psychology saying you hoping that you will come back.

[whitetrash]

He's really saying that he wants you to come back. The old failure of reverse psychology saying you hoping that you will come back.
Highly unlikely I will return
I have been strongly concidering selling all my gear and epic "friends united " emblemed lev 5 guild to make sure I do not return
Frankly they have done nothing to bring my interest back to this game

[Faowin]

If you were truly quitting, you would just give it away.

[whitetrash]

If you were truly quitting, you would just give it away.
Negative
Things can be done with alz :)

[Faowin]

o.o Ohh, not a good idea if you ask me

[Valdoroth]

huh? u guys cant even read wat the question is?let me re type again than. question is how can a 108 bl tank more than a 190 bl with hr20 n forcium set +11 or above...............To my understanding, tanking 1100 is less tanking than 900. Tanking is taking less damage or equal for a longer time, not taking more damage and living the same few seconds. I think you have your terminology lightly off. Also, why are you so worked up about it? Does it influence your day-to-day gameplay? If not, then carry on. It's not the end of the world if someone has an alt char that's using high end gears, in fact it's getting more and more common.

[imback]

To my understanding, tanking 1100 is less tanking than 900. Tanking is taking less damage or equal for a longer time, not taking more damage and living the same few seconds. I think you have your terminology lightly off. Also, why are you so worked up about it? Does it influence your day-to-day gameplay? If not, then carry on. It's not the end of the world if someone has an alt char that's using high end gears, in fact it's getting more and more common.
wat i said is i crit on a 190 bl hr20 with +11 or up fc set gear for 469 each with my ls. but on that 108 bl with mystic set n i duno wtf is hes hr is onli 45x each with my ls. so u can tell i hit less on the lower lvl. n im sure the 190 bl i hit has beter gear than the 108 bl. that just make no sense. onli way i can think off is that lil bl is using some kind the dmg reduce hack...

[gachiennuocman]

maybe he in bm1 aura + his gears not too bad

[imback]

maybe he in bm1 aura + his gears not too bad hm i duno . i didnt have the effect turn on. so i cant tel.u might be right. i never think about this lol

[Valdoroth]

wat i said is i crit on a 190 bl hr20 with +11 or up fc set gear for 469 each with my ls. but on that 108 bl with mystic set n i duno wtf is hes hr is onli 45x each with my ls. so u can tell i hit less on the lower lvl. n im sure the 190 bl i hit has beter gear than the 108 bl. that just make no sense. onli way i can think off is that lil bl is using some kind the dmg reduce hack...1100 < 900???. Re-do your math. Also if I recall, LS is a "Orange Text" skill. Meaning that the number of hits differs by range+number of targets. So what sometimes looks like less, is actually a few hits more with a total damage higher.

[imback]

1100 < 900???. Re-do your math. when i said 1100 vs 900? . all i said is i crit 469 each ls on 190 n 45x each on 108? learn to read...

[Valdoroth]

when i said 1100 vs 900? . all i said is i crit 469 each ls on 190 n 45x each on 108? learn to read...Well according to both yours and XI's dmg notes, the 108 is less than then 190's. That's normal. Also, my recollection of LS was correct. It IS an orange text skill. This means that if collaterally there's another person or two within range, it'll effect the dmg. Not to meantion that sword skills have a min+max value. IDR the exact minimum dmg up for BL, but its something like 16%. If you hit on the lowest for the 108 and highest for the 190, that would also reduce the gap some. That's 2 more factors to consider aside from defense.

[SUPERSAYIAN]

Well as I recall min and max only apply on base hits and not crits. Also I thought the new defense calculations were defense x lvl%. So even if that 108 blader has 400-600 more defense showing on his stat chart than that 190, the 190's will still be higher(you just won't see that number on the char window). Of course it is very unlikely it would be that big of a gap and even with a full resist amp and cdi bike it shouldnt be helping him tank almost as hard as that 190. I have to assume that the thread starter hit this person several times with LS and wasn't hitting more than one person at least half the time. I mean that almost nvr happens in war ch anyways. I think i might have been there in war ch when he was there. Was he the one that quickly relogged when someone said he was hacking from shout?

[imback]

Well as I recall min and max only apply on base hits and not crits. Also I thought the new defense calculations were defense x lvl%. So even if that 108 blader has 400-600 more defense showing on his stat chart than that 190, the 190's will still be higher(you just won't see that number on the char window). Of course it is very unlikely it would be that big of a gap and even with a full resist amp and cdi bike it shouldnt be helping him tank almost as hard as that 190. I have to assume that the thread starter hit this person several times with LS and wasn't hitting more than one person at least half the time. I mean that almost nvr happens in war ch anyways. I think i might have been there in war ch when he was there. Was he the one that quickly relogged when someone said he was hacking from shout?hm ya when i go wrap room ask whos that 108 bl n call him nice hack then hes gone.

[SUPERSAYIAN]

Well i tested that calculation with a wa hitting me with his sw and he hits my 139 with 527 crit. Then i jump on my 190 who has close to 200 defense more and 2 more resist amp and he crits sw for 515... So idk maybe that isnt the way they calculate defense. Maybe he put some different stuff on cuz if 200 more defense only lowers damage by that much this is messed up yo. Ill test on someone else

[imback]

Well i tested that calculation with a wa hitting me with his sw and he hits my 139 with 527 crit. Then i jump on my 190 who has close to 200 defense more and 2 more resist amp and he crits sw for 515... So idk maybe that isnt the way they calculate defense. Maybe he put some different stuff on cuz if 200 more defense only lowers damage by that much this is messed up yo. Ill test on someone else wats ur ign? lets test on me.

[Valdoroth]

Well as I recall min and max only apply on base hits and not crits. Also I thought the new defense calculations were defense x lvl%. So even if that 108 blader has 400-600 more defense showing on his stat chart than that 190, the 190's will still be higher(you just won't see that number on the char window). Of course it is very unlikely it would be that big of a gap and even with a full resist amp and cdi bike it shouldnt be helping him tank almost as hard as that 190. I have to assume that the thread starter hit this person several times with LS and wasn't hitting more than one person at least half the time. I mean that almost nvr happens in war ch anyways. I think i might have been there in war ch when he was there. Was he the one that quickly relogged when someone said he was hacking from shout?0 Good point. They did change the calculations according to a % now. I had completely forgot about that. Otherwise I very highly doubt someone would hack only for reduce damage increase on their character. There's almost no gain for gameplay there so it is almost pointless.