View Full Version : Amp vs CD
providen1990
08-04-2013, 04:07 PM
Does 1 amp still equivalent to 2 CD ? (If it is not which one better? what is the ratio?). If you know these stuff, please help I am a comeback player, I have no idea how to build my char now
fusioncell
08-04-2013, 11:38 PM
amp in armor and cdi in weapon/helm
nothing changed, dont overthink
Mishon
08-04-2013, 11:46 PM
Most classes run 7/7/24 helm/weapons now.
Berserk_Fury
08-05-2013, 03:52 AM
Most classes run 7/7/24 helm/weapons now.
Since when?
Since when?
7/7/24 out dps 40/7 helm/crystal/blade on fs.
fusioncell
08-05-2013, 04:50 AM
amp always gives better average dps on paper, but doesnt mean its better.
still doesnt counter the fact mishon said most people run with 7/7/24, which is simply an untrue statement.
amp always gives better average dps on paper, but doesnt mean its better.
still doesnt counter the fact mishon said most people run with 7/7/24, which is simply an untrue statement.
I'm not basing that off paper, I've tested it on my fs. As for Mishon's statement I never agreed or disagreed with him.
The sets I tested were critical ring+2 x4 & 7/7/24 s.tit blade/aqua crystal/osmium helm vs critical ring+2 x4 & 40/7 s.tit blade/aqua crystal/s.tit helm
I did more damage with the 1st set.
Lord Kronius
08-05-2013, 08:13 AM
2cdi= 3-4 amp
Peaches
08-05-2013, 08:23 AM
Any time you can get more than 2 cd for 1 amp take it (18 cd over 8 amp). Nobody rocks less than 57 rate these days anyways. And if you're non-critting you're already losing.
truely false
08-05-2013, 08:41 AM
amp in armor and cdi in weapon/helm
nothing changed, dont overthink
fusioncell said it best and simply put depending on class only thing to consider is accessories.
Any time you can get more than 2 cd for 1 amp take it (18 cd over 8 amp). Nobody rocks less than 57 rate these days anyways. And if you're non-critting you're already losing.
Well... yes people have more rate (55+ being average), but people also have OP resist rate now. It isn't uncommon to have 3 in gloves and 2 in charm at least, and that bumps most people down to 50 rate. Then a lot of people have honor rank 14 or higher, so there's another 3... and FA/wiz have high base resist rate (4)... so there you have 12 resist rate on a decent character and the OP ones are packing 20+. Also as more and more drei EoG start floating around, those people will have an additional 8. So your 57 rate is now somewhere in the ballpark of 37 to 45... pretty sad rate.
That being said, I have not actually tested good amp weapons against CD, so I can't say which is better, but I would not be so confident in my rate as it looks on paper.
fusioncell
08-05-2013, 09:57 AM
I'm not basing that off paper, I've tested it on my fs. As for Mishon's statement I never agreed or disagreed with him.
The sets I tested were critical ring+2 x4 & 7/7/24 s.tit blade/aqua crystal/osmium helm vs critical ring+2 x4 & 40/7 s.tit blade/aqua crystal/s.tit helm
I did more damage with the 1st set.thank you for generalizing your results based on one class.
providen1990
08-05-2013, 01:01 PM
Actually, WI + SI + charm + hand + HN 14 = 21 resist rate (30 with HN20 I think) that really mess your critical rate up (1 CD with 50 rate = 2 CD with 25 rate)
But someone said that when u wear more CR (like 70/57) that extra CR will be accounted for some of the OP resist rate your target has. Also amp is affected by crit rate too. So they are pretty close (I would still choose amp over cd as a WI). So if everything is the same like before then I know what to do, I was afraid that amp got nerf due to the low damage output in NW
I hope that someone would tell me how damage output calculate.
thank you for generalizing your results based on one class.
How is that generalizing? I never mentioned any other class. I was only talking about FS.
Peaches
08-05-2013, 02:27 PM
Well... yes people have more rate (55+ being average), but people also have OP resist rate now. It isn't uncommon to have 3 in gloves and 2 in charm at least, and that bumps most people down to 50 rate. Then a lot of people have honor rank 14 or higher, so there's another 3... and FA/wiz have high base resist rate (4)... so there you have 12 resist rate on a decent character and the OP ones are packing 20+. Also as more and more drei EoG start floating around, those people will have an additional 8. So your 57 rate is now somewhere in the ballpark of 37 to 45... pretty sad rate.
That being said, I have not actually tested good amp weapons against CD, so I can't say which is better, but I would not be so confident in my rate as it looks on paper.
That being said: your ballpark of 37 to 45 rate is also 37 to 45 rate to the other person considering you'll be at least almost equally as geared as them. If they're miles ahead in RR, the difference between 18 cd or 8 amp is not going to save you.
Sure that 8 amp might provide a little more dps. But if you're counting on a person having that much more RR than you, you're already losing.
Go for 18 cd over 8 amp in any case you can, because overall it'll be of (minimally) more use to you. Get amp when its exactly 2:1. Or if its a lot cheaper because frankly the difference isn't all that noticeable.
ChaosWars
08-09-2013, 10:02 PM
Why would you want to fight someone who has insane resist rate when your rate is 37 - 45%?
My suggestion:
Don't bother fighting them!
Valdoroth
08-09-2013, 10:10 PM
RoF10 > CR3. Just gonna throw that out there for all you CD fanatics. :P Well at least I noticed more dmg on crits with my rof10.
Why would you want to fight someone who has insane resist rate when your rate is 37 - 45%?
My suggestion:
Don't bother fighting them!
That is the rate you end up with if you have 55 rate against people who have decent (not even OP) resist rate.
That being said: your ballpark of 37 to 45 rate is also 37 to 45 rate to the other person considering you'll be at least almost equally as geared as them. If they're miles ahead in RR, the difference between 18 cd or 8 amp is not going to save you.
Sure that 8 amp might provide a little more dps. But if you're counting on a person having that much more RR than you, you're already losing.
Go for 18 cd over 8 amp in any case you can, because overall it'll be of (minimally) more use to you. Get amp when its exactly 2:1. Or if its a lot cheaper because frankly the difference isn't all that noticeable.
Saying "because both people have resist rate, therefore it shouldn't be taken into consideration" seriously is nonsense. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
I always count on everyone having better gear than me. Why would you build your character so you can only beat people who are under-geared to begin with? What build you have only even matters when you're facing someone who is powerful.
Whether 8 amp or 18 crit. damage is more DPS depends on things like your base attack, crit. rate, current amp, and current crit. damage. As well as your opponent's defense, resist crit. rate, resist crit. damage, and resist amp. It's impossible to make broad statements like "Go for 18 cd over 8 amp in any case you can".
Actually, WI + SI + charm + hand + HN 14 = 21 resist rate (30 with HN20 I think) that really mess your critical rate up (1 CD with 50 rate = 2 CD with 25 rate)
But someone said that when u wear more CR (like 70/57) that extra CR will be accounted for some of the OP resist rate your target has. Also amp is affected by crit rate too. So they are pretty close (I would still choose amp over cd as a WI). So if everything is the same like before then I know what to do, I was afraid that amp got nerf due to the low damage output in NW
I hope that someone would tell me how damage output calculate.
How is amp affected by crit. rate?