gl replacing bl?

[jimbo]

In my opinion more def way better fillers nice short skills some similar to bl and fs

[xFear]

bl shorts are still better.

[spittaz]

bl shorts are still better.

agree

[Enso]

I'm fairly certain that Blader BM2 + AoF + IB = #1 single target DPS. Not to mention a Blader can move in all of their shorts. Plus have a large amount of knockdown. Oh yeah, and they have a ridiculous six second silence skill.

Who cares about defense if you can't get hit?

Gladiator has some nice stuff, but I don't think they do any of what Blader does better than Blader. Time will tell, though, as Gladiators gear up.

[providen1990]

Why would they make GL so useless in PT? a tons of hitting skill while there is no pt buff or debuff. I hate it when the game develop this way.
If you can root someone, even if that person gear is strong a good BL can kill him really fast with all short buff and that invincible buff on. They can deal the min of 6k/sec regardless of defend, resist amp, cd, cr... that is 60k in 10 sec remember this is the min which any BL can do even you have bad gear. The only class you might not be able to kill is BL :)

[NiteFalcon]

GL is not useless in a party

[providen1990]

you should tell us why lol @@ don't say mysterious stuff like that since we don't know much about the class.

[aientd311]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk317/nxhien/10253928_696924117030519_3336958325664096445_n.png (http://s283.photobucket.com/user/nxhien/media/10253928_696924117030519_3336958325664096445_n.png .html)

It has bm3 syn -def, so not bad in pt

[jamnotjelly]

It has it's own ss that absorbs 5k dmg at lvl 20 and max rage and max heal + hp pot is 1.7k so you have fas healing less and doing more dmg one buff i think us a waste of money is bloodyrusk, lose 88% def 500 evasion and 50 def rate for like 300 attack but yea it might have more bm3 dmg then fa so i think it a good pt claas :p

[Ola]

i think us a waste of money is bloodyrusk, lose 88% def 500 evasion and 50 def rate for like 300 attack but yea it might have more bm3 dmg then fa so i think it a good pt claas :p
Nah just 60% def. And 360 attack at rage of 10

[Imunique]

those synergies, another version of BL ? O.O

[jimbo]

Lol well bl epicshorts dont last forever i choose skill over shorts

[jamnotjelly]

Gl for afi tunnel now with that 500 add dmg synergy double stacked, bl obsolete again >:3

[Tonberry]

more like warriors become obsolete with gladiators :c

[Enso]

more like warriors become obsolete with gladiators :c

Wut? I can't see a Gladiator tanking NEARLY as well as a warrior can... not even close.

[TeaParty]

Wut? I can't see a Gladiator tanking NEARLY as well as a warrior can... not even close.
I'm not sure if we're talking about PvP or PvE wise, but for PvE, they can tank just as well as a warrior can (if not, even better). They have Vital Charge (instant cast with only 3s cooldown.), which heals 100 hp per rage, or 1k hp at full rage. They also have Rage shield, which absorbs 500 damage per rage, or 5k at full rage. And lastly, they have a 5 second suppression skill. If you're worried about not building enough rage back on time, there's also Art of Rage, which maximizes your rage upon casting.

http://i58.tinypic.com/xt20j.jpg

I could easily set up fire traps on my 15x gladiator by using bm2, building up rage, using bloodyrusk, using bm2 special, and tanking the rest of the bloodyrusk duration by utilizing ONLY the suppression skill (and maybe rage shield depending on the misses/blocks I get) on every boss.

[Enso]

I'm not sure if we're talking about PvP or PvE wise, but for PvE, they can tank just as well as a warrior can (if not, even better). They have Vital Charge (instant cast with only 3s cooldown.), which heals 100 hp per rage, or 1k hp at full rage. They also have Rage shield, which absorbs 500 damage per rage, or 5k at full rage. And lastly, they have a 5 second suppression skill. If you're worried about not building enough rage back on time, there's also Art of Rage, which maximizes your rage upon casting.

http://i58.tinypic.com/xt20j.jpg

I could easily set up fire traps on my 15x gladiator by using bm2, building up rage, using bloodyrusk, using bm2 special, and tanking the rest of the bloodyrusk duration by utilizing ONLY the suppression skill (and maybe rage shield depending on the misses/blocks I get) on every boss.

I did mean in PvP

[providen1990]

Lol that damage is a bit OP for 15x bm2 3k/hit non crit with gear like now. You would crit 10k with 200cd and the cast time is pretty fast

[xFear]

Lol that damage is a bit OP for 15x bm2 3k/hit non crit with gear like now. You would crit 10k with 200cd and the cast time is pretty fast

thats a normal dmg. i lvled to 160 in 3 days and 2 days i had to go to work. their dmg is insane if u know how to use their shorts/rage and synergy and how to properly lure mobs. i been soloing ca7 first 2 waves with no aura since 130 and 3rd wave at 150,and thats with just osm +7 gear and rw3 +15 bike,its lot easier compared to a wa lol.

[Tonberry]

I did mean in PvP

if its pvp, gladiators may not be the better tank by the raw numbers; however, they easily outdps warriors, especially after charging up their rage to max. fadeway has a crazy cast time, and rapid dash has combo cast time as nearly as fast as force kick - both of them are potential best filler skills for sword classes in the game now.

gladiators may not have orange text skill, but the penetration stat and crit damage addition on the high end skills make up for it without any problems.

[xFear]

if its pvp, gladiators may not be the better tank by the raw numbers; however, they easily outdps warriors, especially after charging up their rage to max. fadeway has a crazy cast time, and rapid dash has combo cast time as nearly as fast as force kick - both of them are potential best filler skills for sword classes in the game now.

gladiators may not have orange text skill, but the penetration stat and crit damage addition on the high end skills make up for it without any problems.

man we have like 4 orange skills and 1 of them is the weak ww. XD rage max; dmg is high as hell with a cast time of like 2 secs and cool down of 2.5 if i remember well. dps is high same as heavy dmg.

edit: check ur skills again =p

[Enso]

if its pvp, gladiators may not be the better tank by the raw numbers; however, they easily outdps warriors, especially after charging up their rage to max. fadeway has a crazy cast time, and rapid dash has combo cast time as nearly as fast as force kick - both of them are potential best filler skills for sword classes in the game now.

gladiators may not have orange text skill, but the penetration stat and crit damage addition on the high end skills make up for it without any problems.

A warrior's job is not to deal damage. It's to take damage. They're the only class with fifty million thousand trillion HP.

[Tonberry]

A warrior's job is not to deal damage. It's to take damage. They're the only class with fifty million thousand trillion HP.
and gladiators can tank more than warriors with a 4k shield and 1000 hp heal every 8-10 seconds.

//edit//
gladiator base stat at lvl 149 (does not have lvl 140 rank up)
2x attack upgrade, 2x def upgrade, 1x def rate upgrade
int/dex for minimum forci amount (90 int, 299 dex)
attack: 1077
defense: 320
hp: 2756
a. rate: 2209
d. rate: 2225
penetration: 68
accuracy: 163
dmg reduction: 280

warrior base stat at lvl 165
2x attack upgrade, 2x def upgrade, 1x attack rate upgrade
int/dex for minimum forci amount (77 int, 147 dex)
attack: 1457
defense: 394
hp: 2957
a. rate: 2612
def rate: 944
penetration: 33
accuracy: 84
dmg reduction: 376

doesnt look like hp is an issue. attack difference is balanced by amount of penetration. defense is about the same.

BLUF: gladiators are basically warriors orientated for solo plays. better skills, better battle modes, and really, better raw stats seeing i haven't reached 2nd marginal return line on the STR. warriors, party buffs.

tooltip: you can also cast the shield buff on to other people.

[xTheNexiOnex]

I gots a question...Is the rage heal outside war the same in war?

[jamnotjelly]

I gots a question...Is the rage heal outside war the same in war?

Yes

And i don't think WA were originally meant to tank as much as they do now they just have a ton of hp because there a dps class that's supposed to take a lot of hits but still take a moderate amount of damage but they've been beefed up so much over the years most WAs are just FSs without ss and a bunch of damage. Also i think GL might have the second highest hp mine is lvl 137 with +7 shine plate +0 osm everything else and i got 3.5k hp lol.

[IFrost]

and gladiators can tank more than warriors with a 4k shield and 1000 hp heal every 8-10 seconds.

//edit//
gladiator base stat at lvl 149 (does not have lvl 140 rank up)
2x attack upgrade, 2x def upgrade, 1x def rate upgrade
int/dex for minimum forci amount (90 int, 299 dex)
attack: 1077
defense: 320
hp: 2756
a. rate: 2209
d. rate: 2225
penetration: 68
accuracy: 163
dmg reduction: 280

warrior base stat at lvl 165
2x attack upgrade, 2x def upgrade, 1x attack rate upgrade
int/dex for minimum forci amount (77 int, 147 dex)
attack: 1457
defense: 394
hp: 2957
a. rate: 2612
def rate: 944
penetration: 33
accuracy: 84
dmg reduction: 376

doesnt look like hp is an issue. attack difference is balanced by amount of penetration. defense is about the same.

BLUF: gladiators are basically warriors orientated for solo plays. better skills, better battle modes, and really, better raw stats seeing i haven't reached 2nd marginal return line on the STR. warriors, party buffs.

tooltip: you can also cast the shield buff on to other people.


Never compare a class to another, each class is unique, even a wi can tank if you gear and build it right, ignorance is bliss, its how you play.

[jimbo]

if its pvp, gladiators may not be the better tank by the raw numbers; however, they easily outdps warriors, especially after charging up their rage to max. fadeway has a crazy cast time, and rapid dash has combo cast time as nearly as fast as force kick - both of them are potential best filler skills for sword classes in the game now.

gladiators may not have orange text skill, but the penetration stat and crit damage addition on the high end skills make up for it without any problems.

they do

[alhifnawy3]

Never compare a class to another, each class is unique, even a wi can tank if you gear and build it right, ignorance is bliss, its how you play.

so a WI can tank drei frame like WA/FS do ? Stupidity is not a bliss

[IFrost]

so a WI can tank drei frame like WA/FS do ? Stupidity is not a bliss

ROMP. there i proved you wrong. and raz

[alhifnawy3]

ROMP. there i proved you wrong. and raz
pointing out names doesn't prove anything

[ToasterStrudel]

ROMP. there i proved you wrong. and raz
Rofl, romp and raz can tank the drei frame bosses in mo? I'm pretty sure they need Vitality pots to do that, which doesn't require you to "build your character right."

[IFrost]

Rofl, romp and raz can tank the drei frame bosses in mo? I'm pretty sure they need Vitality pots to do that, which doesn't require you to "build your character right."

building your character right"means right stats and not like people who put 200 dex for nothing, and yeah

[jimbo]

so a WI can tank drei frame like WA/FS do ? Stupidity is not a bliss
Rofl

[Tonberry]

Never compare a class to another, each class is unique, even a wi can tank if you gear and build it right, ignorance is bliss, its how you play.
we're talking about one specific aspect of the class, the ability to tank, so im not really sure why you are using the most vanilla MMO response ever made in mmo debate.

if we're speaking general class overall, your argument may make sense provided there is such a thing as perfect balance in games (there are not).


building your character right"means right stats and not like people who put 200 dex for nothing, and yeah
stat allocation will only help you in miniscule amount vs your gear/extreme upgrading, especially when we're using hypothetical tank a drei scenario.

[jimbo]

Well so far gl isnt replacing any class i love to see a gl by ut self in war or period lol