On Resist

[Andrea]

Example:

Character 1 has 57/53 crit rate
Character 2 has 7 resist crit rate

when they duel, what is the effective cr of character 1? 50 or 46? Thanks. Sure answers only please.

[Enso]

Only people who can give you a "sure" answer on that are EST employees with access to the game's server source code.

In lieu of that, based on the effect crit rate debuffs have, I would guess 50.

[hanhnn13]

why dont you remove all crit rate item and try if 5% base crit rate can work against 7% resist
you'll get the answer

[Enso]

why dont you remove all crit rate item and try if 5% base crit rate can work against 7% resist
you'll get the answer

The question is about whether resist crit rate or max rate applies first, not whether there is a 1:1 ratio between resist crit rate and crit rate.

[ToasterStrudel]

why dont you remove all crit rate item and try if 5% base crit rate can work against 7% resist
you'll get the answer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXlnFSnENYA

[Andrea]

The question is about whether resist crit rate or max rate applies first, not whether there is a 1:1 ratio between resist crit rate and crit rate.

this.

so a class which overshoots its mcri by a mile (read: fb lol) stand in good stead against even the most cri resistant player huh. I see. So wth is mcri for? Picking up on the logic, anyone can cri, say 67% of the time out of again say 60 max cr. The former figure is the one that stands to be resisted anyway.

[ManBear]

This has been tested and confirmed to be 46 per the example above. 53-7 = 46
i.e.
RATE (LIMIT MAX RATE) - OPPONENT RESIST RATE = EFFECTIVE RATE

57 RATE (52 MAX RATE) - 7 OPPONENT RESIST RATE = 46 EFFECTIVE RATE

Note: Your effective rate will always be limited by your max rate... Hence, max rate / rate balance is one of the most important character strength traits.

Additional Notes: Rate cannot be lowered past 5%, i.e. 5-7 = 5 per the example above. Similarly, rate cannot exceed 95%.

I hope this helps,
~ManBear

[ToasterStrudel]

This has been tested and confirmed to be 46 per the example above. 53-7 = 46
i agree with this. If this wasn't the case, then max critical rate is obsolete and everyone would just push for all rate gear to get 100(95)/50

Additional Notes: Rate cannot be lowered past 5%, i.e. 5-7 = 5 per the example above.
The video i linked is like 5 years old, are you sure it is still the case at present? i tested with fa bm2 with base rate 5 on my friend that had 5 rcr and didn't crit once in 2 bm2. when my friend take off glove they have 2 rcr and i was able to crit

[Enso]

i agree with this. If this wasn't the case, then max critical rate is obsolete and everyone would just push for all rate gear to get 100(95)/50

That implies that people actually test out their builds. Or even think about them beyond what other people are doing.


The video i linked is like 5 years old, are you sure it is still the case at present? i tested with fa bm2 with base rate 5 on my friend that had 5 rcr and didn't crit once in 2 bm2. when my friend take off glove they have 2 rcr and i was able to crit

Those have been my results as well.

[Andrea]

This has been tested and confirmed to be 46 per the example above. 53-7 = 46
i.e.
RATE (LIMIT MAX RATE) - OPPONENT RESIST RATE = EFFECTIVE RATE

57 RATE (52 MAX RATE) - 7 OPPONENT RESIST RATE = 46 EFFECTIVE RATE

Note: Your effective rate will always be limited by your max rate... Hence, max rate / rate balance is one of the most important character strength traits.

Additional Notes: Rate cannot be lowered past 5%, i.e. 5-7 = 5 per the example above. Similarly, rate cannot exceed 95%.

I hope this helps,
~ManBear

Thanks.


on a lighter side of things
http://i58.tinypic.com/25ksf0o.jpg

still hits for 2k per even with negative cr and cd lol

[ahnsohee]

Thanks.


on a lighter side of things
http://i58.tinypic.com/25ksf0o.jpg

still hits for 2k per even with negative cr and cd lol

Having a negative cr and cd doesn't affect your non-crit/cdi . LOL :o

[Andrea]

Having a negative cr and cd doesn't affect your non-crit/cdi . LOL :o

ikr, amp and attack do the normal hits

[doomer123]

2k op