i think we all agree that this event is AMAZING, right?

[vXLi]

lets see...
...2-3 hrs for 20 ornaments
20 ornaments for 1 present.
50+ presents(on average) for 1 star
hm... would make more sense to buy presents from the cash shop right?.....what a coincidence.
about..... 7 minibosses per map between 20 channels, split between all of Cabal NA?...seems fair enough.
90% of the cabal community unhappy with the event, and GMs ignore it?.... no problem there either.

EST doesnt care about how you feel about cabal, why should they? ....they care about what you spend.
so lets stop complaining about this horrible event, terrible drop rate, and horrible GM involvement
and lets spend some USD!!! :D happy Cabalidaysss(... EST)!!!! :D

....they're pissing on us without the courtesy of calling it rain.

please, if you agree.. just leave a comment. a smiley face if you're lazy.
lets see how long these GMs can pretend to not realize that nobody is happy with this "event"

[Devil]

the GMs never care about us only about our Wallet .. even if u send ticket to them they only Copy & Past =.=

[Teal]

:)

[Raunak]

:)

[Vikz]

:)

[MhyCheese]

Non of this even matters. Just look at the amount of views this has and the amount of replies. People have realized that no matter what we do GM don't care.

You know what would matter? If for some miracle people stopped giving their USD away to prove a point. Unfortunately that would never happen. GM know you guys will spend USD no matter how terrible they make the events or how poorly they support the community. Its how the human brain works. It's a mind game.

Theres a limit to that and its been far surpassed which is probably the main reason the game is slowly dying out. They have taken advantage of this flaw and consequences are being payed for it now. If EST actually gave some faks given about their community they would probably be getting payed way more than they are currently being payed.

Thats the reason why this rule of thumb exists " the customer is always right ". It seems to me that they haven't embraced that idea or understand why it exists.

Instead all they show is greediness and selfishness. All companies have this in common but the difference between est and other ones is the way they disguise it. In the end nothing will ever change because they are confident USD spenders will keep spending no matter what.

[vXLi]

Non of this even matters. Just look at the amount of views this has and the amount of replies. People have realized that no matter what we do GM don't care.

You know what would matter? If for some miracle people stopped giving their USD away to prove a point. Unfortunately that would never happen. GM know you guys will spend USD no matter how terrible they make the events or how poorly they support the community. Its how the human brain works. It's a mind game.

Theres a limit to that and its been far surpassed which is probably the main reason the game is slowly dying out. They have taken advantage of this flaw and consequences are being payed for it now. If EST actually gave some faks given about their community they would probably be getting payed way more than they are currently being payed.

Thats the reason why this rule of thumb exists " the customer is always right ". It seems to me that they haven't embraced that idea or understand why it exists.

Instead all they show is greediness and selfishness. All companies have this in common but the difference between est and other ones is the way they disguise it. In the end nothing will ever change because they are confident USD spenders will keep spending no matter what.

+1

[MamaMiaYoe]

The question is why are you guys still playing then?

[MhyCheese]

The question is why are you guys still playing then?

I dont use usd, ever. Never will. Never have.

Was only speaking my mind.

[CandiCoatted]

The question is why are you guys still playing then?

Maybe the same reason you keep returning to forums...

[providen1990]

Here is how thing work.
The USD spenders are those that already got all their stuff from these type of event. And EST does not want to upset them. By slowing down the others (people that does not pay) EST keep the USD spender happy because they can still 1 vs 10.
If everyone get their hand on 32 amp stuff, it is when cabal die :)

[ToasterStrudel]

Non of this even matters. Just look at the amount of views this has and the amount of replies. People have realized that no matter what we do GM don't care.
sadly true, game is overrun by hackers. not saying no one can run through abandoned city efficiently but just look at all the random palladium gears, 14 amp arch, pw5, etc. that these random levels are selling on alternative accounts. same thing as when awakening fi was released and all these random archridium gear popped up. kind of wished people wouldn't buy these hacked gears but no1 is stopping them



The question is why are you guys still playing then?Maybe the same reason you keep returning to forums...
savage af

[MamaMiaYoe]

Maybe the same reason you keep returning to forums...
Like what? If Cass finally got better in the game (no one would stay for that) or if SooRite is gonna start naming insignificant FA's? I dont think so...


Anyway, if you are going to complain about how the game is run by the GM's then I don't see any point of staying.

[CandiCoatted]

Like what? If Cass finally got better in the game (no one would stay for that) or if SooRite is gonna start naming insignificant FA's? I dont think so...


Anyway, if you are going to complain about how the game is run by the GM's then I don't see any point of staying.

bringing up irralevant topics and names of irralevant people but since you have let me eaze your mind. many other "insignificant" fas and myself have always better than you. You're really just known for being a conniving bytch.. If we're just being real.


People complaining about gms.... Hmm, Are you new all of a sudden? As if you didn't see anyone post about a event they didn't like before. Then have the nerve to ask someone why they still play? Plz gtf outta here.

[Lord Kronius]

yeah..

[vXLi]

Like what? If Cass finally got better in the game (no one would stay for that) or if SooRite is gonna start naming insignificant FA's? I dont think so...


Anyway, if you are going to complain about how the game is run by the GM's then I don't see any point of staying.

.. look, i respect the transgender community, so i support you for your decision

but i dont support trolls. so take that negative sht elsewhere

[Lulu]

Like what? If Cass finally got better in the game (no one would stay for that) or if SooRite is gonna start naming insignificant FA's? I dont think so...


Anyway, if you are going to complain about how the game is run by the GM's then I don't see any point of staying.
Downloading cabal to drop return stones on cass for this comment idc

[MamaMiaYoe]

.. look, i respect the transgender community, so i support you for your decision

but i dont support trolls. so take that negative sht elsewhere
lololol


I don't support the Transgender community... whenever I see Bruce Jenner there's one person who pops in my head - Cass. Thanks to Lulu's post.


I'm not being negative towards the game, don't get it wrong all I'm simply saying is if you're all gonna whine about usd involved stuff or game favoring spenders then stop playing because there's nothing you can do or say to fix that.

[MamaMiaYoe]

bringing up irralevant topics and names of irralevant people but since you have let me eaze your mind. many other "insignificant" fas and myself have always better than you. You're really just known for being a conniving bytch.. If we're just being real.


People complaining about gms.... Hmm, Are you new all of a sudden? As if you didn't see anyone post about a event they didn't like before. Then have the nerve to ask someone why they still play? Plz gtf outta here.

Ugh :O okay that's it. *bytch slaps

[MamaMiaYoe]

The thread itself is negative and so are most of the threads being created. The player base has been greatly reduced over the years as new games emerge but it is evident that we still have dedicated players loyal to stay this long and post in forum. Sad part is instead of posting things of what they're thankful of or what they see is nice about this game - things that keep them playing - they will complain and beat management instead, yeah beat those guys who try to figure out how to keep the activity. Do you guys realize that they are doing what they can to keep this game going so you can play?

Are you guys blind to the fact that everything you complain about here applies in the real world as well only this is just minor compared to usd milking companies out there who can really brainwash people to spend for sht. If it's so obvious that it's a failed attempt to make an event then why spend something for it like your time...or money

If you love this game that you still play it do you think bytchin about it's incompetence to guarantee customer satisfaction will help make it better? You're just driving more people away and making it worse than it already is. You're not really suppose to be playing a game you're not happy with. What's wrong with you all?

[CandiCoatted]

Downloading cabal to drop return stones on cass for this comment idc

Oh, please do! Bring others as well please. The struggle in war channel is beyond real.


Ugh :O okay that's it. *bytch slaps

Okay Hun!

[MamaMiaYoe]

Oh, please do! Bring others as well please. The struggle in war channel is beyond real.



Okay Hun!

Uuuh it's the part you grab my wig and hit me with the purse duuuh

[CandiCoatted]

The thread itself is negative and so are most of the threads being created. The player base has been greatly reduced over the years as new games emerge but it is evident that we still have dedicated players loyal to stay this long and post in forum. Sad part is instead of posting things of what they're thankful of or what they see is nice about this game - things that keep them playing - they will complain and beat management instead, yeah beat those guys who try to figure out how to keep the activity. Do you guys realize that they are doing what they can to keep this game going so you can play?

Are you guys blind to the fact that everything you complain about here applies in the real world as well only this is just minor compared to usd milking companies out there who can really brainwash people to spend for sht. If it's so obvious that it's a failed attempt to make an event then why spend something for it like your time...or money

If you love this game that you still play it do you think bytchin about it's incompetence to guarantee customer satisfaction will help make it better? You're just driving more people away and making it worse than it already is. You're not really suppose to be playing a game you're not happy with. What's wrong with you all?

I knew he was gonna start posting these unnecessary paragraphs. Sigh..
9546

[MamaMiaYoe]

GED is not enough. You need college degree Cass. Seriously I can sniff it out from your posts

[CandiCoatted]

oh sweety I already have mine no need for me to speak formally to you. You're not qualified for that.
But I have my hs diploma, bachellors, and my certifications. Plus my own condo (almost paid off) car.

What do you have? Your degree or ged... Parents guest room or basement (and you are the one who told me about the basement then daddy sends you to the library because you have to get out of the house) ... Whatever education you've received isn't really working Is it? Still in the same place.

Sweety don't come at this Queen just because you have insecurities. That's a job for your therapist. Meanwhile continue to bow.

[MamaMiaYoe]

OH. I find that hard to believe with all the Soorite stunt and the fact that you were busted. You should have grown up by now but no you have not. Still holding grudges because of silly things. You said you did performing for a living w/e the fk that is it kinda makes sense. :)

[CandiCoatted]

Once again you bring up a irralevant person. No need for me to continue to read your post.

[MamaMiaYoe]

Mhm. I forgot you have a "show" that's what you used to tell me. I am still trying to think of what kind of show it is but I do hope it's not what I have in mind

[CandiCoatted]

Lmao dam your fail

Are you talking about when I go afk and say my show is on? LoL

I even use to tell you what happend in that episode bc I know you weren't allowed to watch tv.

[MamaMiaYoe]

Twist it all you want but the fact that you told me you perform in a show boggles me.

[CandiCoatted]

Whatever you say fruit cake. Lmao

You can try and pick apart what I say all you want. You made me actually lol.

[MamaMiaYoe]

And damn bachelor's and certification. Lucky you. I'm still on my post doctoral fellowship in psychiatry but I will be done on February ;)

[CandiCoatted]

And damn bachelor's and certification. Lucky you. I'm still on my post doctoral fellowship in psychiatry but I will be done on February ;)

*claps* LoL that's nice

[Corvettezr1]

Man, you guys are directing the blame onto the wrong crowd. First off the GMs, here at NA, just do what HQ tells them, they just have a job like anyone else. Now, the ones who decide whether we get new events, or whether we get to have certain items, its up to HQ (aka KR). KR sees the drop in community here in NA, but they could gaf less about this server. So they tell our GMs to keep prices a certain way, for example KR has like 10x our population is its 10x cheaper over there to buy . Not to mention the game sells itself over there, if you want you can go ask any of your friends irl who have a clue of MMOs, that you havent told them of the existance of cabal, and ask them what cabal is, most of them wont have a damn clue.

Stop complaining of the drops rate here, or how ty the GMs are, because these GMs cant just go into the damn code and change it, idk what their policy is but im sure they cant touch the code or else they would get fired. Think about it from an outside standpoint, idk how playing this game will benefit any of you in your outside lives, so why complain. The GMs care about their own lives lol, the USD spending essentially in a way pays their bills, i understand you put a load of hours into the game, and yes trying to be competitive vs those who just got deep wallets is hard, trust me ik, enjoy the game as much as you can.

But if you think you can make a difference buy a flight to KR and voice your opinions, doubt they would even listen, everything is just buisness you must understand that.

[CandiCoatted]

Man, you guys are directing the blame onto the wrong crowd. First off the GMs, here at NA, just do what HQ tells them, they just have a job like anyone else. Now, the ones who decide whether we get new events, or whether we get to have certain items, its up to HQ (aka KR). KR sees the drop in community here in NA, but they could gaf less about this server. So they tell our GMs to keep prices a certain way, for example KR has like 10x our population is its 10x cheaper over there to buy . Not to mention the game sells itself over there, if you want you can go ask any of your friends irl who have a clue of MMOs, that you havent told them of the existance of cabal, and ask them what cabal is, most of them wont have a damn clue.

Stop complaining of the drops rate here, or how ty the GMs are, because these GMs cant just go into the damn code and change it, idk what their policy is but im sure they cant touch the code or else they would get fired. Think about it from an outside standpoint, idk how playing this game will benefit any of you in your outside lives, so why complain. The GMs care about their own lives lol, the USD spending essentially in a way pays their bills, i understand you put a load of hours into the game, and yes trying to be competitive vs those who just got deep wallets is hard, trust me ik, enjoy the game as much as you can.

But if you think you can make a difference buy a flight to KR and voice your opinions, doubt they would even listen, everything is just buisness you must understand that.

Or.....we can blame cloud! We all know he's the CEO of EST! GMs does what he says!

[vXLi]

Man, you guys are directing the blame onto the wrong crowd. First off the GMs, here at NA, just do what HQ tells them, they just have a job like anyone else. Now, the ones who decide whether we get new events, or whether we get to have certain items, its up to HQ (aka KR). KR sees the drop in community here in NA, but they could gaf less about this server. So they tell our GMs to keep prices a certain way, for example KR has like 10x our population is its 10x cheaper over there to buy . Not to mention the game sells itself over there, if you want you can go ask any of your friends irl who have a clue of MMOs, that you havent told them of the existance of cabal, and ask them what cabal is, most of them wont have a damn clue.

Stop complaining of the drops rate here, or how ty the GMs are, because these GMs cant just go into the damn code and change it, idk what their policy is but im sure they cant touch the code or else they would get fired. Think about it from an outside standpoint, idk how playing this game will benefit any of you in your outside lives, so why complain. The GMs care about their own lives lol, the USD spending essentially in a way pays their bills, i understand you put a load of hours into the game, and yes trying to be competitive vs those who just got deep wallets is hard, trust me ik, enjoy the game as much as you can.

But if you think you can make a difference buy a flight to KR and voice your opinions, doubt they would even listen, everything is just buisness you must understand that.

hmm...............
cite your sources.

[Corvettezr1]

hmm...............
cite your sources.

Its my opinion, im trying to explain what i think, trying to get some people to see a bigger picture that i have deducted from what i have experienced

[MamaMiaYoe]

Damn. That ignore was clutch.

[CandiCoatted]

Because i was eagerly awaiting
his response? Okay rofl

[Tonberry]

hmm...............
cite your sources.

source confirmed by me, bruh.

NA GMs must come up with event ideas months ahead and wait to get it approved. NA GMs cannot set the prices on cash shops either.

their job is basically banning rule violators, provide customer support, and submitting bug reports/troubleshooting.

past former GMs have come out and expressed frustration at the lack of control over how and what they could do for the game, including one of my friend who worked for them previously (not as GM, though).

luckily even though NA population is small there are plenty of heavy spenders.

[Seiyuu]

source confirmed by me, bruh.

NA GMs must come up with event ideas months ahead and wait to get it approved. NA GMs cannot set the prices on cash shops either.

their job is basically banning rule violators, provide customer support, and submitting bug reports/troubleshooting.

past former GMs have come out and expressed frustration at the lack of control over how and what they could do for the game, including one of my friend who worked for them previously (not as GM, though).

luckily even though NA population is small there are plenty of heavy spenders.

Thanks for your insight on this.


their job is basically banning rule violators, provide customer support, and submitting bug reports/troubleshooting.
Not saying you're wrong but did anyone else cringe/giggle when reading this? haha.

[providen1990]

This event so far the worst event that I could remember. It s for the poor, rich everyone... Low drop rate on ornament, and the rich does not want to buy too expensive star => economy stop which is terrible.
If NA GM could have submit a better event (because this event is the worst). They are either lacking the ability of economic or doesn't care at all.

[Corvettezr1]

This event so far the worst event that I could remember. It s for the poor, rich everyone... Low drop rate on ornament, and the rich does not want to buy too expensive star => economy stop which is terrible.
If NA GM could have submit a better event (because this event is the worst). They are either lacking the ability of economic or doesn't care at all.

read what i said dude, im telling you you're blaming it on the wrong people

[providen1990]

I was replying to tonberry post. I dont believe that GM in NA just sit there and do whatever the HQ tell them to. People at korea doesnt live in NA, or know as much as GM in NA does so it makes sense that tonberry's post is more accurate which is that GM in NA send event ideas and thing over there and wait for approval.

My personal believe is that GM in NA actually have control over event to a certain amount. (so they can change drop rate of event but not exceed some value)

[ToasterStrudel]

wat approval do you need for events that have been recycled since the beginning of time???

collection events
1)you collect or buy a bunch of event items
2)you trade ridiculous amounts of those items for a rng item that you open
3)you get a special event item that can be used to trade for "epic" stuff

event mobs
1)halloween = pumpking, christmas = santa
2)find mob randomly located in said maps
3)either solo, call friends, megaphone, or hack to kill the boss
4)get drop

[doomer123]

Deleting your characters is an option

[MhyCheese]

Man, you guys are directing the blame onto the wrong crowd. First off the GMs, here at NA, just do what HQ tells them, they just have a job like anyone else. Now, the ones who decide whether we get new events, or whether we get to have certain items, its up to HQ (aka KR). KR sees the drop in community here in NA, but they could gaf less about this server. So they tell our GMs to keep prices a certain way, for example KR has like 10x our population is its 10x cheaper over there to buy . Not to mention the game sells itself over there, if you want you can go ask any of your friends irl who have a clue of MMOs, that you havent told them of the existance of cabal, and ask them what cabal is, most of them wont have a damn clue.

Stop complaining of the drops rate here, or how ty the GMs are, because these GMs cant just go into the damn code and change it, idk what their policy is but im sure they cant touch the code or else they would get fired. Think about it from an outside standpoint, idk how playing this game will benefit any of you in your outside lives, so why complain. The GMs care about their own lives lol, the USD spending essentially in a way pays their bills, i understand you put a load of hours into the game, and yes trying to be competitive vs those who just got deep wallets is hard, trust me ik, enjoy the game as much as you can.

But if you think you can make a difference buy a flight to KR and voice your opinions, doubt they would even listen, everything is just buisness you must understand that.



GM obviously got the message because before this threat was created each FI run i'd get no more than 16 ornaments. A day or 2 later I started getting between 25-30 ornaments a run. Was running at least 5 hours every day of FI.

Really don't think they need permission.

[vXLi]

GM obviously got the message because before this threat was created each FI run i'd get no more than 16 ornaments. A day or 2 later I started getting between 25-30 ornaments a run. Was running at least 5 hours every day of FI.

Really don't think they need permission.

i can confirm this.

drop rate has increase by about 75%

speculation to say whether or not it can be accredited to this thread
but the point is that they must have some sort of immediate control over the game, considering that prior to the 116% drop rate application
the drop rate of ornaments undeniably increased.

they heard our cries :')

[fernny]

I believe its a mixture of both HQ and the GMs. Over the past year I've seen many events aimed fully at reaching into the community's wallets. These events are happening more frequently than before. One week sghh, two weeks later pet untrain, etc etc. As everyone knows, the community is dying. You have big figures that have been famous throughout CABAL history quitting the game. Big figures were almost certain to be alz buyers. I digress. If this game doesn't generate enough money the servers will close. It's happened to other online games I've played. So, these events are like the final attempts to survive. I see this game closing its servers within the next 2 years due to lack of revenue.
This is my opinion. Disagree or agree as you please.

[Tonberry]

I was replying to tonberry post. I dont believe that GM in NA just sit there and do whatever the HQ tell them to. People at korea doesnt live in NA, or know as much as GM in NA does so it makes sense that tonberry's post is more accurate which is that GM in NA send event ideas and thing over there and wait for approval.

My personal believe is that GM in NA actually have control over event to a certain amount. (so they can change drop rate of event but not exceed some value)

no bro, there are certain holiday events that cycle every year regardless of NA GMs input so cloud is right, this isn't really on NA GMs at all. they can't even impact the drop rate for the events (ornaments i think? i just came to NA for vacation since i now live in korea so i dont know what's really going on here). if it's dropping more, it just means there are more people actively farming it (that's just how drop system works in cabal).

the biggest misconception is the drop rate for servers are different. i am here to tell you that drop rates for each servers are all the same even for events like this (with the exception of SEA possibly). they just have much more active players than NA - if you've played this game when 7 coins accessories were craftable (especially during the accessory effect stacking exploit), you know how server population and how item cycling impacts a mob's drops or when you open a chest in a dungeon.

random events like placing world boss on starter maps or bonus wexp/exp/ap weekend events are usually ones that local GM team come up with and submit the requests. those requests require great amount of finite detail, its not a matter of "hey korea i was thinking itd be cool if we could have lautus pluma in bloody ice and people can hit them and it'll drop stuff."

the business scheme estsoft runs with their localization team can be picked up if you've stayed in the cabal community long enough. if you are from the ogplanet era, you will remember [GM]Kalaydrah who quit/got fired and posted a lengthy post about what happens in the background. a lot of things have changed since then, but some of the things she pointed out still remains true. if you also pay attention to the live stream, you can connect the dots.


ive been playing cabal since JP server first opened, i've played on JP server, KR server, and EU server before NA server finally came out. things like this you kind of pick up without realizing. i dont play cabal anymore, but cabal was and is still my favorite mmo since i first got into mmo in 2004. (now i play vainglory on my tablet :D)



edit:
people have been predicting cabal to shut down for at least 6 years now. i remember when k-red boards first came out people went ham and raised the flag to start quitting. when the first amp scroll event came out, people went ham again. cabal na has at least 4-5 years left in its tank imho. if this community does fold, it'll just be consolidated under other servers that are still healthy. honestly, people cry wolf and declare cabal's ending pretty much every four months.

events like these and cash shop rotation, koreans have had it years before we started getting the same thing mostly thanks to estsoft deciding that they would take charge of localization rather than leave it up to third party localization team (good bye OGPlanet for NA and GameMasters for EU even though GameMasters did a stellar job on EU).

speaking of cabal EU, most of you all should have observed how estsoft wrung the cabal carpet from GameMaster's feet. that was probably the most messed up business deal ive ever seen and really set the tone on how shady the HQ operates.



wow, i ended up writing an essay. but i cant sleep because my biological time is still messed up :|

[Valdoroth]

no bro, there are certain holiday events that cycle every year regardless of NA GMs input so cloud is right, this isn't really on NA GMs at all. they can't even impact the drop rate for the events (ornaments i think? i just came to NA for vacation since i now live in korea so i dont know what's really going on here). if it's dropping more, it just means there are more people actively farming it (that's just how drop system works in cabal).

the biggest misconception is the drop rate for servers are different. i am here to tell you that drop rates for each servers are all the same even for events like this (with the exception of SEA possibly). they just have much more active players than NA - if you've played this game when 7 coins accessories were craftable (especially during the accessory effect stacking exploit), you know how server population and how item cycling impacts a mob's drops or when you open a chest in a dungeon.

random events like placing world boss on starter maps or bonus wexp/exp/ap weekend events are usually ones that local GM team come up with and submit the requests. those requests require great amount of finite detail, its not a matter of "hey korea i was thinking itd be cool if we could have lautus pluma in bloody ice and people can hit them and it'll drop stuff."

the business scheme estsoft runs with their localization team can be picked up if you've stayed in the cabal community long enough. if you are from the ogplanet era, you will remember [GM]Kalaydrah who quit/got fired and posted a lengthy post about what happens in the background. a lot of things have changed since then, but some of the things she pointed out still remains true. if you also pay attention to the live stream, you can connect the dots.


ive been playing cabal since JP server first opened, i've played on JP server, KR server, and EU server before NA server finally came out. things like this you kind of pick up without realizing. i dont play cabal anymore, but cabal was and is still my favorite mmo since i first got into mmo in 2004. (now i play vainglory on my tablet :D)



edit:
people have been predicting cabal to shut down for at least 6 years now. i remember when k-red boards first came out people went ham and raised the flag to start quitting. when the first amp scroll event came out, people went ham again. cabal na has at least 4-5 years left in its tank imho. if this community does fold, it'll just be consolidated under other servers that are still healthy. honestly, people cry wolf and declare cabal's ending pretty much every four months.

events like these and cash shop rotation, koreans have had it years before we started getting the same thing mostly thanks to estsoft deciding that they would take charge of localization rather than leave it up to third party localization team (good bye OGPlanet for NA and GameMasters for EU even though GameMasters did a stellar job on EU).

speaking of cabal EU, most of you all should have observed how estsoft wrung the cabal carpet from GameMaster's feet. that was probably the most messed up business deal ive ever seen and really set the tone on how shady the HQ operates.



wow, i ended up writing an essay. but i cant sleep because my biological time is still messed up :|

Much truth here. If you are too ignorant to understand what Tonberry just said, then go roll yourself in a blanket and jump off your roof head first.

To explain how drop tables work in a short way:

X Y Z items are in the a randomly generated list on the server. When person A kills a mob, drop X falls. The next mobs drops Y, the next drops Z.
Person B joins in and kills a mob and gets drop X. Person A missed that X and gets Y for his next. Person B gets Z next. etc etc etc.

So the more ppl farming the same thing (dungeon or map) the drops rotate faster, thus more "rare drops" dropping more. It's the same with just about any mmorpg out there.

Note: that's a very simplified version.


tl:dr never complain about drops rates. They're always the same and always have been.
tl:dr unstated: GM's don't control anything related to drops. They request and monitor.

[providen1990]

Aren't these "Yul exchange" event differ a little every year? And also they are different from server to server arent they (if i remember correctly). Then the HQ must create all these events for each server and tell the GM in each server to implement it. IDK but it sounds like a bad way to do it.

And if the system is like what you say, it is just stupid because players in the other servers (aside from Korea) does not have any say in how cabal will develop or how event is made. Don't tell NA people to buy ticket to Korea it is ridiculous and there is no way to send any kind of message to the HQ in Korea.

And when thing get unbalance between servers, like between NA and Korea where the average gear difference is too large, NA players cant keep up with new contents, and you get the same event then playing in NA will be very frustrated.

Last thing I want to say is that I doesn't feel NA GMs care about the community at all. Their small event is basically the same every time.

[providen1990]

Let say you have a 100 items list of 3 type of item, 30 ornament, 30 X, 40 Y. And when this list end, a similar list is generated. Since they are randomly generated they should be distributed fairly in order. So when there is 1 player farming, he will get 30 ornament by the end of list 1, the same amount of ornament will be obtained at the end of list 1 (30, 15 for each person) if 2 players are farming but since there are 2 players, they reach to the end of list 2 as fast as when 1 player farming so they would get 30 ornaments for each player.

In the end, the amount of ornaments that each player get is the same no matter how many players is farming. The thing that is different is the total ornament that the whole server get.

Which is not what tonberry were saying which is the number of players affect drop rate for each player.

[ToasterStrudel]

...at the people who are saying they increased the drop rate and that they've "heard our cries" you do realize it's an overall drop rate increase bonus that has been prepared since the event was announced right? http://i.imgur.com/Oof3ntz.png

[MhyCheese]

My runs were before the bonus started.

[ToasterStrudel]

how can you precisely tell that drop rates were adjusted because "gms got the message?" drop rates are ultimately rng anyways, some runs you'll get more than your average, sometimes you'll get less

[Tonberry]

i want to delve a bit more into the things i've talked about earlier because ive received some private messages about them.

DROP SYSTEM:
http://i.imgur.com/xa4E9qx.jpg

this is your cabal drop system. some capsules have alz in it, some capsules have junk armor/weapon drops, and some capsules have force cores/upgrade cores. some capsules have ornaments in them. some capsules have nothing in them.

when you have events that boost drop rates, you are essentially getting this capsule vending machine and taking out the capsules that have nothing in them and putting capsules that have alz, armor/weapon drops, upgrade item drops, and ornaments in exact same ratio. you can't target "quality drops" because their drop frequency is RNG and is set to drop by certain (low) percentage/ratio. big misconception with drop rate event is that your chances of getting an epic item. maybe since your chances of getting empty capsule is smaller, but the chances of a mob dropping an amp slotted forcium is still extremely rare.

when i said this:

they just have much more active players than NA - if you've played this game when 7 coins accessories were craftable (especially during the accessory effect stacking exploit), you know how server population and how item cycling impacts a mob's drops or when you open a chest in a dungeon.
basically, you need you imagine a line of people waiting to try their luck at the same vending capsule vending machine. the more people try their luck, the more capsules with ornaments will come out because people are cycling out the empty capsules faster.





HOW HQ THINKS ABOUT OTHER SERVERS
frankly speaking, estsoft really does not care about markets outside of korea and southeast asia. why should they? the revenue they generate from korea and southeast asia significantly outweighs the revenue they get from na, br, and even EU which boasts of population at least 5 times bigger than NA by itself.

this shouldnt be a surprise, since the NA GM team for over a year (not sure if they still are) was responsible for regulating NA, BR, and EU all at the same time. you talk about being stretched thin!

if you factor in the cost of maintaining infrastructure for each localization teams (computers, phones, facility maintenance, utility bills, server maintenance cost, building rental cost), taxes, paying employees, benefits, computers, etc etc... that's actually a huge cost. estsoft is pleased as long as each server can make ends meet and then some.

in investment term, they consider servers like us as "residual income." residual income is a term to describe where you no longer have to make concerted effort on an investment to make a profit, it keeps coming after you've set it up. kind of like if you were to have an apartment and you rent it out for 1000 dollars even though the monthly mortgage payment you have to make to the bank is 900. that 100 dollar is your residual income.

so in an analogy, you can kind of think of KR server as the 5-star hotel in the new york times square and NA servers as the holiday inn motel near a local airport somewhere in missisipi. as owner, you have a 5-star hotel that is making millions for you, whereas the holiday inn motel is making couple thousand. which one do you spend more effort in upkeeping and ensuring more people to come? probably the 5-star hotel.





hope that clarifies the points i made earlier. you can choose to argue with them, but i am just telling you how it really is.

[vXLi]

...at the people who are saying they increased the drop rate and that they've "heard our cries" you do realize it's an overall drop rate increase bonus that has been prepared since the event was announced right? http://i.imgur.com/Oof3ntz.png

hey genius, next time reread what i said before you paraphrase and make a fool outta yourself.
see: "but the point is that they must have some sort of immediate control over the game, considering that prior to the 116% drop rate application"

prior:
pri·or1
ˈprī(ə)r/
-adjective
- existing or coming before in time, order, or importance.
"he has a prior engagement this evening"

comprende?

[ToasterStrudel]

comprende?
can you define this too? i don't speak chinese


i understand though, i'll let you think this thread has made a difference in the so called changing/adjusted drop rates

[Corvettezr1]

Hey man, if you believe your drop rates increased because of this thread, hey more power to you rofl. But i can tell you, there have been thousands of threads like this one, and just because its this one doesnt mean they actually made a change to your liking, and if you believe they did, that is just naive as F

Edit: And ive heard this whole, USD buyer complaint for ages, hey i have complained about it myself, i decided that i cant compete with them so i did the appropriate approach and stopped playing. I dont sit around on forums all day complaining about that is out of my control, thats just rediculous

[ToasterStrudel]

speculation to say whether or not it can be accredited to this thread
but the point is that they must have some sort of immediate control over the game, considering that prior to the 116% drop rate application
the drop rate of ornaments undeniably increased.

they heard our cries :')
seems like cloud and i need to learn how to read :') though i don't see why you felt the need to state that to begin with. perhaps something was implied. nonetheless, enjoy your "increased drop rate"

[CandiCoatted]

Hey man, if you believe your drop rates increased because of this thread, hey more power to you rofl. But i can tell you, there have been thousands of threads like this one, and just because its this one doesnt mean they actually made a change to your liking, and if you believe they did, that is just naive as F

Edit: And ive heard this whole, USD buyer complaint for ages, hey i have complained about it myself, i decided that i cant compete with them so i did the appropriate approach and stopped playing. I dont sit around on forums all day complaining about that is out of my control, thats just rediculous


Lmao, 🐸☕️

[xFear]

There are better things than cabal,yall should move on and enjoy life while u can instead of spending hours infront of a screen lol

[providen1990]

basically, you need you imagine a line of people waiting to try their luck at the same vending capsule vending machine. the more people try their luck, the more capsules with ornaments will come out because people are cycling out the empty capsules faster.

So tonberry saying the same thing as valdoroth which mean that the more people farming does not increase the amount of ornament that each of them will get.


Let say you have a 100 items list of 3 type of item, 30 ornament, 30 X, 40 Y. And when this list end, a similar list is generated. Since they are randomly generated they should be distributed fairly in order. So when there is 1 player farming, he will get 30 ornament by the end of list 1, the same amount of ornament will be obtained at the end of list 1 (30, 15 for each person) if 2 players are farming but since there are 2 players, they reach to the end of list 2 as fast as when 1 player farming so they would get 30 ornaments for each player.

In the end, the amount of ornaments that each player get is the same no matter how many players is farming. The thing that is different is the total ornament that the whole server get.

About how HQ think about other server:

I agree that they doesn't even care about us, but it is weird that they would have to make all these event different for each server which is really crazy for them. They can just have each of these NA GMs submitting yul exchange event idea and they sort it out so they don't have to do it.

[MamaMiaYoe]

Agree on Rafa's. Or play Call of Duty black ops 3! Accepting all challenges ps4!

[vXLi]

Hey man, if you believe your drop rates increased because of this thread, hey more power to you rofl. But i can tell you, there have been thousands of threads like this one, and just because its this one doesnt mean they actually made a change to your liking, and if you believe they did, that is just naive as F

Edit: And ive heard this whole, USD buyer complaint for ages, hey i have complained about it myself, i decided that i cant compete with them so i did the appropriate approach and stopped playing. I dont sit around on forums all day complaining about that is out of my control, thats just rediculous

ridiculous*

and apparently you do sit around on the forums all day looking for a way to establish yourself in some way or another. you dont even play cabal anymore and you're still combing through the "thousand of threads" with your godlike perspective that no one really cares about / is entirely irrelevant anymore.

besides that, i never said this thread was the reason. i said they heard OUR cry
meaning, the cabal community.

if you still played, and you could weigh in on whether the drop rate changed PRIOR to the 116% drop rate increase (as the whole community has realized), i would care for your opinion. considering that you dont know what you're talking about, i'll consider you just a self-righteous forum hopper trying to establish yourself over the internet.

thanks for your time.

[vXLi]

seems like cloud and i need to learn how to read :') though i don't see why you felt the need to state that to begin with. perhaps something was implied. nonetheless, enjoy your "increased drop rate"

when all else fails, resort to someone else's comments.

GG

[vXLi]

i'm done here. i was expecting this seeing as the forum is where everyone feels the need to establish their masculinity(?), and prove that they know everything*********.

you guys win! congrats / merry christmas.

my only intention was to bring to attention the general consensus of the cabal community to the GMs. anything else is secondary at best.

thanks for all the self-righteousness though guys :)

[ToasterStrudel]

if you still played, and you could weigh in on whether the drop rate changed PRIOR to the 116% drop rate increase (as the whole community has realized)

cause one or two person agreeing (you and toshiro) equates to the whole community, thank sfor the self-righteousness

when all else fails, resort to fallacies

GG

thanks for your time.

[MamaMiaYoe]

I'm still the most viewed profile here. None of you bytches can beat my record and shut up Val don't even think about it! My presence on a thread means instant 1k+ views booooyaaaa

[vXLi]

cause one or two person agreeing (you and toshiro) equates to the whole community, thank sfor the self-righteousness

when all else fails, resort to fallacies

GG

thanks for your time.

hey man, the fact that you take so much time to go out of your way and troll / leave negativity on almost every thread on this forum says a lot about you.
theres no cure for ignorance, so im not gonna argue with you.

merry christmas bro, spend some time off of the forums. i'm done here

[ToasterStrudel]

i'm done here.

i'm done here

o are you


theres no cure for ignorance, so im not gonna argue with you.

>has no idea how drop rates work in mmorpgs
>calls me ignorant
>happy new year :)

[CandiCoatted]

I'm still the most viewed profile here. None of you bytches can beat my record and shut up Val don't even think about it! My presence on a thread means instant 1k+ views booooyaaaa

Don't even play but still return to forums for attention.

Daddy issues!

[MamaMiaYoe]

Don't even play but still return to forums for attention.

Daddy issues!

Fact#1 every video of you being shown is you terrible @ playing FA.

Fact#2 you are an illiterate dumb fk and a big joke to this game

Fact#3 you have a peniiiiiiis.

[MamaMiaYoe]

You're like miss Colombia no brains and delusional, then philippines comes (me) and stuns the crowd and... wins.

[CandiCoatted]

Fact#1 every video of you being shown is you terrible @ playing FA.

Fact#2 you are an illiterate dumb fk and a big joke to this game

Fact#3 you have a peniiiiiiis.

Dam, is it that hard not to talk about yourself. All of what you said applies to you tho.

[CandiCoatted]

You're like miss Colombia no brains and delusional, then philippines comes (me) and stuns the crowd and... wins.

Right stuns the crowd! And they wonder why a drag queen is on stage

[MamaMiaYoe]

Want another one? This is one is spot on hands down.

#fact
You are SoooRite and you got busted. Trying to be competitive but really has no place for recognition. #delusional

[CandiCoatted]

Sorite. I already stated that is not me.. After reading that. Your brain is not comprehending what that statement means.

And Competitive with who?

That's all you. Idc if I'm recognized or not. I'm afk or in war ch. Then and still til this day.
As a Fa and former wa you were the one coming online and picking fights with people.
You're right to say delusional. Just at the wrong person.

[MamaMiaYoe]

That reply is where you lose again for the 100th time. Wherever I go is war, I'm just born that way.

[CandiCoatted]

I guess!

You seem so bitter. Bytchy also but use of that.

Anyways.. Byeee!

[MamaMiaYoe]

It's kind of easy to push your limits though. You and 541 are almost the same level of troll vulnerability

[doomer123]

damn this is so buttery

[Corvettezr1]

and i thought the drop rate discussion was intense

[Tonberry]

i guarantee you the drop rate bonus event is not because the community asked for it. every time there is an amp event, there is a drop rate bonus event that accompany it.

if the GMs really paid that much attention to the community, they would've long locked this thread. no active community where the game moderators/developers invest so much time would allow this thread to not be locked within 24 hours.

[Vikz]

waste of time event , not worth it .

[MhyCheese]

how can you precisely tell that drop rates were adjusted because "gms got the message?" drop rates are ultimately rng anyways, some runs you'll get more than your average, sometimes you'll get less


It's simple. Just play the game. I no life FI since event started. Every single run was less than 16 ornaments. A day or 2 after this was created and people nagging the drop rate went from 16 MAX to 25 + a run at least?

Something obviously got changed. Luck is when you get 16 here and then u get 20 there and then u get 14. This is not luck.

You say "ultimately" like you are 100% certain. We all know that is a mere opinion.

Can't throw these opinions in the air if you don't play the game or test the drop rate yourself. When i say test i mean actually run the dungeon more than twice or 3 times or maybe even 1 day.

Ive been no life'ing FI so those drops rates are as good as it gets in terms of accuracy.

You guys can argue all you want but the tests have been done already.

[MhyCheese]

There are better things than cabal,yall should move on and enjoy life while u can instead of spending hours infront of a screen lol

Like being a grave digger?

[MhyCheese]

Don't even play but still return to forums for attention.

Daddy issues!

lol thats most of you little fkers.

still posting here and haven't played since 2010.

[ToasterStrudel]

It's simple. Just play the game. I no life FI since event started. Every single run was less than 16 ornaments. A day or 2 after this was created and people nagging the drop rate went from 16 MAX to 25 + a run at least?

Something obviously got changed. Luck is when you get 16 here and then u get 20 there and then u get 14. This is not luck.

You say "ultimately" like you are 100% certain. We all know that is a mere opinion.

Can't throw these opinions in the air if you don't play the game or test the drop rate yourself. When i say test i mean actually run the dungeon more than twice or 3 times or maybe even 1 day.

Ive been no life'ing FI so those drops rates are as good as it gets in terms of accuracy.

You guys can argue all you want but the tests have been done already.

if you've tested it for yourself then that's great, but I don't think one or few people spamming FI nonstop is conclusive data for the drop rates changing. there are still some who have said even the 116% didn't help towards the ornament drop rate here (http://forum.cabaleu.estgames.com/forum/all-about-cabal/general-discussion2/72950-hackersdays-event-open?p=73162#post73162), which further supports what tonberry said about the vending machine analogy. you do you tho, if you think this thread made a difference in the drop rates then it is what it is


Like being a grave digger?
https://media.riffsy.com/images/aeb5c1e1d94d758a10940a7526e98469/raw

[CandiCoatted]

lol thats most of you little fkers.

still posting here and haven't played since 2010.

Oh your not referring to me! Carry on

[MamaMiaYoe]

^You didn't have to edit that, I saw the original and my name on it. I'm beginning to think that you're the only one who gives me the most attention here and I'm pleased. :)


lol thats most of you little fkers.

still posting here and haven't played since 2010.

Since you don't make retarded posts like someone, let me give some of my serious feedback regarding this post.

We the retired have played this game for quite a while and some of us would still want to get in touch with this game's current events. Nothing wrong with that. We can say what we want and what we think as we have been part of this community even before some of you joined.

[CandiCoatted]

Fake af

[Tonberry]

the sexual tension is intense in this thread.

[Corvettezr1]

lol

[MamaMiaYoe]

Cass hows your sex life? lol

[fernny]

@MamaMiaYoe I'd appreciate some help on my thread in the FA class discussion :)

[ToasterStrudel]

@MamaMiaYoe I'd appreciate some help on my thread in the FA class discussion :)
pretty sure you'll get oudated advice but if you insist lol

[doomer123]

i got u, use sig= trash duh

[MamaMiaYoe]

Yeah @fenny, I have been inactive in the game for a long time. I'm no longer updated. If this game becomes a first person shooter then I will come back lololol as I know I'd be topping the skilled player charts to heights no one can reach ;)

[fernny]

Hahah. well ty anyways..
any other FAs out there care to share some knowledge?

[MamaMiaYoe]

Sorry -.-

But hey you can ask the rest who plays just avoid asking the FA that goes with the name Cass. Lololol

[CandiCoatted]

Topping the charts he says... You were never top anything when you were active tho.. Magically will happen if you return? *claps* please wake up

But He is correct Fernny. I do not have the patients to guide any FA. I'm still pretty random. But they're many active players who has more knowledge other than myself and definitely Miavii. Thing is, most players don't address you unless you address them.

[MamaMiaYoe]

Your reading comprehension needs work which is another reason why I told him not to take any advice from you.

[MamaMiaYoe]

Was there a chart for most kills or wins in this game though? Hey I had a dream I made this grand finale in nw before I quit and in this scene I was taking down an army of capella with my bm3 with a +15 20% sig orb..It felt real.

[CandiCoatted]

You told him to avoid ASKING...you didn't tell him not to take any advice.. That's two different things

LoL

[CandiCoatted]

Oh right the grand final you had xi play your character bc you couldn't pilot it yourself.

You forgot to mention that detail.

[MamaMiaYoe]

I didn't share accounts like they did, so please prove. Did you really graduate from college? Your comprehension and reasoning are not good.

[CandiCoatted]

Omg I'm so sorry this text speak is addicting!

But wait.. Didn't you mean to say "I didn't share accounts like he did?" I recall mentioning one person....Good thing you said "they" tho. Although I didn't mention the other person.

But anyways, you can deny that all you want. Really thought I forgot that part, huh?

[MamaMiaYoe]

Oh there's a third person now. :O
Do you remember when you had me solo derk with your account back in 2010. Lololol

[CandiCoatted]

Oh there's a third person now. :O
Do you remember when you had me solo derk with your account back in 2010. Lololol

Can you count? I mentioned xi and left the other anonymous.

ROFL, sad... Idc but if anyone would believes that I would give you my username let alone password they're just as delusional as you.

But enlighten me. What was my username? *ill wait*

[MamaMiaYoe]

Username: bornthisway
Pw: crowned

[CandiCoatted]

Okay

Obviously that's best you can do.

[MamaMiaYoe]

What did I do? That's the username.

[CandiCoatted]

I said okay... LoL

[MamaMiaYoe]

Okay well the thread is tainted with our nonsense so let me use my super power to fix it. Cass it is your time to shine and prove to us that you are an intelligent person by answering this question.

So what is your opinion about the real matter at hand? Do you support vXLi opinion about our GM's ways of handling events for this community?

[ToasterStrudel]

Okay well the thread is tainted with our nonsense so let me use my super power to fix it. Cass it is your time to shine and prove to us that you are an intelligent person by answering this question.

So what is your opinion about the real matter at hand? Do you support vXLi opinion about our GM's ways of handling events for this community?

I feel like you're trying to pull this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

[CandiCoatted]

Simple

[MamaMiaYoe]

Nice video but she's young and good looking so if you really wanna bang her you wouldn't care you know.

Cass I gave you a chance to redeem yourself. If you cannot give me a good answer then sorry tuts you're just like miss south Carolina here ...and cannot be banged

[CandiCoatted]

Nice video but she's young and good looking so if you really wanna bang her you wouldn't care you know.

Cass I gave you a chance to redeem yourself. If you cannot give me a good answer then sorry tuts you're just like miss south Carolina here ...and cannot be banged

Damn your doing me a favor! The thirst is real. You wouldnt know about it but it's pretty bad. Half the population think cabal is eharmony

[MamaMiaYoe]

*you're

There you go ladies and gentlemen meet Cass. :)

I'm done for now. Off to Black ops 3, I'll be back for more Cass. ;)

[CandiCoatted]

*you're

There you go ladies and gentlemen meet Cass. :)

I'm done for now. Off to Black ops 3, I'll be back for more Cass. ;)

I want to play zombie mode too! But I can't..... Anyways bye bytch! *waves*

[Valdoroth]

*you're

There you go ladies and gentlemen meet Cass. :)

I'm done for now. Off to Black ops 3, I'll be back for more Cass. ;)

You still play on consoles? Irrelevant response to irrelevant post.

This thread is really long and has long since gone off tracks. I request this thread be locked by a GM.

[MamaMiaYoe]

You still play on consoles? Irrelevant response to irrelevant post.

This thread is really long and has long since gone off tracks. I request this thread be locked by a GM.

Yes right now I only play on a console. It's all in there - capture screenies/videos, voice chat, watch, stream, upload and whatever more feature.

These boards have gone worse. There was a time when the class section was active with questions and answers, tips & tricks, and guides. There were creative people who made sigs, videos and shared screenshots of whatever in game. Yes we still had trolls and troublestarters but they do not outweigh the positive and constructive topics. Those kinds of threads were ways to show our thanks and appreciation (through these forums) to the GM's with their effort to keep this game worth playing. You can't find those here anymore, and they question why GM's don't give a damn?

Anyway, I will be back to pc when blade and soul comes out next month.

[Lord Kronius]

ive been playing cabal since JP server first opened, i've played on JP server, KR server, and EU server before NA server finally came out. :|

dang bro you played that long and still ended up never being very good at the game? D=

[Peaches]

wat do people still play this game?