View Full Version : For you, FailHour
Sheep
06-24-2010, 09:47 PM
tired of your gotry, so here,
crit: 0.1% of attack + 1
amp: 1
attack: 1% of attack
all equivalent, prove me wrong >_>
Beavis
06-24-2010, 10:04 PM
Lawl..... I don't get it...
Sheep
06-24-2010, 10:05 PM
equivalent stats O.o
you will find all these to give you the exact same outcome in any scenario
let me give you an example.
if i have 700 attack, 1 amp, 7 attack, and 1.7 crit would all be exactly the same ,you get it?
DarkGhost974
06-25-2010, 01:18 AM
equivalent stats O.o
you will find all these to give you the exact same outcome in any scenario
let me give you an example.
if i have 700 attack, 1 amp, 7 attack, and 1.7 crit would all be exactly the same ,you get it?
i can see what you did man but are u sure that's correct??? i can't prove you wrong but i'm just wondering who was your source? or did u just figure it out by urself?
Rastan
06-25-2010, 01:36 AM
equivalent stats O.o
you will find all these to give you the exact same outcome in any scenario
let me give you an example.
if i have 700 attack, 1 amp, 7 attack, and 1.7 crit would all be exactly the same ,you get it?
don't you mean
if i have 700 attack,ADDING 1 amp,or 7 attack,or 1.7 crit dmg would all be exactly the same
if so,then no....the adding 1 amp or 7 attack,yeah that might be the same,because s/m.amp goes off your base attack and crit damage together where as crit dmg relies on your base attack and your crit rate
LastHour
06-25-2010, 03:14 AM
tired of your gotry, so here,
crit: 0.1% of attack + 1
amp: 1
attack: 1% of attack
all equivalent, prove me wrong >_>
Umm no. I tried to explain this to you before as well so I don't know why I'm bothering to try to waste my time again. Defense effects critical damage but does not effect amp. Lets see if I can try to demonstrate this as simply as possible for even you to understand sheep. Amp is independent of a monsters defense unlike critical damage. No matter how much or little the defense, amp will always give me the same effect. Critical damage gains will vary depending on how hard your base damage against monsters hit, which of course is always changing each time you fight a new monster.
Ex: I get a 1% amp upgrade and I have 1000 attack. The gain will be 1000 * .01 = 10 damage, let critical damage = 40%, Rate = 50%
Damage to 500 defense before and after : non-crit: 800 and now 810 Crits: 1120 and 1134, Average: 960 dps and 972 dps
Damage to 1000 defense before and after: non-crit: 300, now 310. Crits: 420 and 434, Average: 360 dps and 372 dps
Now do the same with critical damage using your formula to find the "equivalent". 1000 attack * .001 = 1 + 1 = 2 crit damage. This also goes back to your 1% amp = 2% critical damage statement awhile back here.
Damage to 500 defense before and after: non-crit: 800 on both Crits: 1120 and 1136, Average: 960 dps and 968 dps
Damage to 1000 defense before and after: non-crit: 300 on both Crits: 420 and 426, Average: 360 dps and 363 dps
Note on this case how amp out gained critical damage at both 500 and 1000 defense, more so on 1000 defense than 500 defense because critical damage is dependent on base damage and thus always a changing ratio of gain vs loss to amp which is a constant.
You can say I didn't use real numbers and it would work with the *real* thing all you want, it just means it'd get more complicated for you if I took the time to post actual data. Its a universal statement anyway and should apply in any case as you used it.
WIpwns
06-25-2010, 05:55 AM
Umm no. I tried to explain this to you before as well so I don't know why I'm bothering to try to waste my time again. Defense effects critical damage but does not effect amp. Lets see if I can try to demonstrate this as simply as possible for even you to understand sheep. Amp is independent of a monsters defense unlike critical damage. No matter how much or little the defense, amp will always give me the same effect. Critical damage gains will vary depending on how hard your base damage against monsters hit, which of course is always changing each time you fight a new monster.
Ex: I get a 1% amp upgrade and I have 1000 attack. The gain will be 1000 * .01 = 10 damage, let critical damage = 40%, Rate = 50%
Damage to 500 defense before and after : non-crit: 800 and now 810 Crits: 1120 and 1134, Average: 960 dps and 972 dps
Damage to 1000 defense before and after: non-crit: 300, now 310. Crits: 420 and 434, Average: 360 dps and 372 dps
Now do the same with critical damage using your formula to find the "equivalent". 1000 attack * .001 = 1 + 1 = 2 crit damage. This also goes back to your 1% amp = 2% critical damage statement awhile back here.
Damage to 500 defense before and after: non-crit: 800 on both Crits: 1120 and 1136, Average: 960 dps and 968 dps
Damage to 1000 defense before and after: non-crit: 300 on both Crits: 420 and 426, Average: 360 dps and 363 dps
Note on this case how amp out gained critical damage at both 500 and 1000 defense, more so on 1000 defense than 500 defense because critical damage is dependent on base damage and thus always a changing ratio of gain vs loss to amp which is a constant.
You can say I didn't use real numbers and it would work with the *real* thing all you want, it just means it'd get more complicated for you if I took the time to post actual data. Its a universal statement anyway and should apply in any case as you used it.
+1
Deathlymonkey
06-25-2010, 06:24 AM
Cool story bro
KillinEye
06-25-2010, 06:55 AM
tired of your gotry, so here,
crit: 0.1% of attack + 1
amp: 1
attack: 1% of attack
all equivalent, prove me wrong >_>
Meh, you should visit European forums and see how people actually share their ideas instead of flaming, and accept that LastHour's calculators is one of the best.
Sheep
06-25-2010, 07:16 AM
Umm no. I tried to explain this to you before as well so I don't know why I'm bothering to try to waste my time again. Defense effects critical damage but does not effect amp. Lets see if I can try to demonstrate this as simply as possible for even you to understand sheep. Amp is independent of a monsters defense unlike critical damage. No matter how much or little the defense, amp will always give me the same effect. Critical damage gains will vary depending on how hard your base damage against monsters hit, which of course is always changing each time you fight a new monster.
Ex: I get a 1% amp upgrade and I have 1000 attack. The gain will be 1000 * .01 = 10 damage, let critical damage = 40%, Rate = 50%
Damage to 500 defense before and after : non-crit: 800 and now 810 Crits: 1120 and 1134, Average: 960 dps and 972 dps
Damage to 1000 defense before and after: non-crit: 300, now 310. Crits: 420 and 434, Average: 360 dps and 372 dps
Now do the same with critical damage using your formula to find the "equivalent". 1000 attack * .001 = 1 + 1 = 2 crit damage. This also goes back to your 1% amp = 2% critical damage statement awhile back here.
Damage to 500 defense before and after: non-crit: 800 on both Crits: 1120 and 1136, Average: 960 dps and 968 dps
Damage to 1000 defense before and after: non-crit: 300 on both Crits: 420 and 426, Average: 360 dps and 363 dps
Note on this case how amp out gained critical damage at both 500 and 1000 defense, more so on 1000 defense than 500 defense because critical damage is dependent on base damage and thus always a changing ratio of gain vs loss to amp which is a constant.
You can say I didn't use real numbers and it would work with the *real* thing all you want, it just means it'd get more complicated for you if I took the time to post actual data. Its a universal statement anyway and should apply in any case as you used it.
tl;dr
talking about damage, not def
WIpwns
06-25-2010, 07:18 AM
tl;dr
just s.tfu o:
Sheep
06-25-2010, 07:26 AM
just s.tfu o:
no u
beowolf101
06-25-2010, 10:17 AM
dude u gotta use the same deffence for alll the senerios
talk about ur controled variable
equivalent stats O.o
you will find all these to give you the exact same outcome in any scenario
let me give you an example.
if i have 700 attack, 1 amp, 7 attack, and 1.7 crit would all be exactly the same ,you get it?
uhh no.... with 700atk
1amp = 7atk
7atk + amp from skill + amp from equip >7atk
1.7crit would also depend on ure cd so also no
all 3 are unequal
WIpwns
06-25-2010, 10:28 AM
uhh no.... with 700atk
1amp = 7atk
7atk + amp from skill + amp from equip >7atk
1.7crit would also depend on ure cd so also no
all 3 are unequal
kakak owned
Sheep
06-25-2010, 10:51 AM
uhh no.... with 700atk
1amp = 7atk
7atk + amp from skill + amp from equip >7atk
1.7crit would also depend on ure cd so also no
all 3 are unequal
lol, you dont know what your talknig about, obviously. go try it yourself
and i was talknig in a situation where amp from armor and skills werent applied?
Lethal
06-25-2010, 10:58 AM
Iunno guise Spur's logic isn't as good as Nieros. Spur said 5% Vamp= 7% Amp but left out half the requierments needed so it could be true.
Iunno guise Spur's logic isn't as good as Nieros. Spur said 5% Vamp= 7% Amp but left out half the requierments needed so it could be true.
sry but i said 5vamp > 7amp not equal
Sheep
06-25-2010, 11:38 AM
sry but i said 5vamp > 7amp not equal
spur doesnt like getting 2shot, so he gets vamp, lawl
Lethal
06-25-2010, 11:43 AM
sry but i said 5vamp > 7amp not equal
It's not, prove me wrong tomarrow I have to work until 12.
spur doesnt like getting 2shot, so he gets vamp, lawl
y are u back? u already got owned above
iSeeYou123
06-25-2010, 11:48 AM
y are u back? u already got owned above
+1
Sheep
06-25-2010, 12:01 PM
y are u back? u already got owned above
owned by what? lol, no u, son. you get 2shot :\
WIpwns
06-25-2010, 12:19 PM
owned by what? lol, no u, son. you get 2shot :\
u cant even 4 shot my 150 wi without having to panic and bloody kakakak
BackUpMENGzz
06-25-2010, 12:33 PM
u cant even 4 shot my 150 wi without having to panic and bloody kakakak
owned kakakakakakaka
Sheep
06-25-2010, 12:36 PM
u cant even 4 shot my 150 wi without having to panic and bloody kakakak
i 1shot your fail wiz and you got mad :\
Sheep
06-25-2010, 12:47 PM
don't you mean
if i have 700 attack,ADDING 1 amp,or 7 attack,or 1.7 crit dmg would all be exactly the same
if so,then no....the adding 1 amp or 7 attack,yeah that might be the same,because s/m.amp goes off your base attack and crit damage together where as crit dmg relies on your base attack and your crit rate
i meant in a situation where you were to crit, giving the cdi a chance to do its job
Sheep
06-25-2010, 12:49 PM
dude u gotta use the same deffence for alll the senerios
talk about ur controled variable
+1
i meant in a situation where you were to crit, giving the cdi a chance to do its job
dont matter wat u meant, all 3 are unequal
Sheep
06-25-2010, 12:55 PM
dont matter wat u meant, all 3 are unequal
no, they are all equal. you just mad cuz you got owned :\
lolmercplayers
no, they are all equal.
spam it a few more time and maybe ull get 1 person to agree with u
Sheep
06-25-2010, 01:06 PM
spam it a few more time and maybe ull get 1 person to agree with u
no u
lolmercplayers
ThisisaForumId
06-25-2010, 10:37 PM
i 1shot your fail wiz and you got mad :\
Are you literally retarded or just trollling all of us? =D
Rastan
06-25-2010, 10:41 PM
i meant in a situation where you were to crit, giving the cdi a chance to do its job
it's still the same,having insane crit damage is useless unless you have the crit rate to back it up and vice versa,up your crit rate to 58/58 and you'll wield power like no other,but it helps to have high base attack and semi-decent amp
LastHour
06-26-2010, 04:27 AM
Meh, you should visit European forums and see how people actually share their ideas instead of flaming, and accept that LastHour's calculators is one of the best.
Thank you, and that is the reason I spend much more time on their forums than ours. Mainly trolls here but still fun to read about sometimes or the occasional good thread.
WIpwns
06-26-2010, 05:22 AM
i 1shot your fail wiz and you got mad :\
proove it son oh wait u got banned for trying to hack me kakakakakakk
Sheep
06-26-2010, 06:33 AM
proove it son oh wait u got banned for trying to hack me kakakakakakk
lol, u just mad cuz i 1sho you with ww, son. go play with your new bf, jeazy
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8003/jeazydance.gif
WIpwns
06-26-2010, 08:13 AM
lol, u just mad cuz i 1sho you with ww, son. go play with your new bf, jeazy
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8003/jeazydance.gif
proove it son oh wait u got banned for trying to hack me kakakakakakk
u mad kekek
Sheep
06-26-2010, 03:39 PM
proove it son oh wait u got banned for trying to hack me kakakakakakk
u mad kekek
lol, u just mad cuz i 1sho you with ww, son. go play with your new bf, jeazy
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8003/jeazydance.gif
WIpwns
06-26-2010, 04:30 PM
lol, u just mad cuz i 1sho you with ww, son. go play with your new bf, jeazy
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8003/jeazydance.gif
proove it son oh wait u got banned for trying to hack me kakakakakakk
try and hack backupmeng hes got 29b kekekekek
Sheep
06-26-2010, 04:32 PM
kakakakakakk try and hack backupmeng hes got 29b kekekekek
nty